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    Yesterday, I finalized a deal for Quick. I sent E Kane, Markstrom, Forsberg, and the 39th pick in this year's draft for Quick and the 25th pick in this year's draft. In our keep 20 league, I would have kept Kane and Markstrom but I wouldn't have had room for Forsberg. This also also allows me to keep Schultz and Pietrangelo instead of having to choose.

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    Keep 5, max 1 goalie

    Skaters - G (3 pts), A (2), PPG (1), PPA (0.5), SHG (2), SHA (1), GWG (2), HT (5), PIM (0.3), Hits (0.1), BS (0.2)
    Goalies - W (5), OTL (2), GA (-1), SV (0.2), SO (3)

    F (17, Start 12): Ovechkin, Tavares, Seguin, McDavid, Couture, Toffoli, Landeskog, MacKinnon, Scheifele, Schenn, Stepan, Voracek, Wheeler, Fabri, E. Kane, Galchenyuk, Barkov, Stastny, Spezza (IR), Sheary (IR)
    D (5, Start 4): Giordano, Schultz, Markov, Phaneuf, Shattenkirk
    G (3, Start 2): Holtby, Lundqvist, Johnson

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    E Kane + Markstrom + 39th vs Quick + Schultz + 25th is how this boils down.

    I'd take the Quick side.
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    i think the trade itself is not that great but adding in schultz makes it ok.
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    You got Quick in a 20 team league. Time to party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laendarian View Post
    E Kane + Markstrom + 39th vs Quick + Schultz + 25th is how this boils down.

    I'd take the Quick side.
    This is exactly how you need to view this trade. Seems like you gave up a lot, but Markstrom is unproven on a young/developing team, and the addition of Schultz helps ease the loss of E Kane as a keeper.

    Ultimately, I think you did very well on this deal -- and managing your available assets/keepers. Enjoy Quick
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    Objectively, I think you may have lost but considering asset management, it was not a mistake at all. I think you made the right call here.
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    its tough because in a 20 team league a good goalie goes very far... but you already have price and niemi.... I wouldnt have made the deal myself, but i dont think its a bad trade Quick Price and Niemi are top 5 fantasy goalies and you have them all, someone in your league may over pay for one later on
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    Just to clarify in the event it makes a difference in the opinions. My league is not a 20-team league. It's a keep 20 with 8 teams. I'm going for the win this year and I felt I needed an upgrade over Markstrom. The other benefit, in my mind, of this trade is that it opens up a spot on my roster for Yakupov.
    8 teams, H2H daily start league
    Keep 5, max 1 goalie

    Skaters - G (3 pts), A (2), PPG (1), PPA (0.5), SHG (2), SHA (1), GWG (2), HT (5), PIM (0.3), Hits (0.1), BS (0.2)
    Goalies - W (5), OTL (2), GA (-1), SV (0.2), SO (3)

    F (17, Start 12): Ovechkin, Tavares, Seguin, McDavid, Couture, Toffoli, Landeskog, MacKinnon, Scheifele, Schenn, Stepan, Voracek, Wheeler, Fabri, E. Kane, Galchenyuk, Barkov, Stastny, Spezza (IR), Sheary (IR)
    D (5, Start 4): Giordano, Schultz, Markov, Phaneuf, Shattenkirk
    G (3, Start 2): Holtby, Lundqvist, Johnson

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    Trades should always be viewed as apples-to-apples.

    Goalie + Forward
    vs.
    Goalie + Forward

    Quick + Yakupov
    vs.
    Markstrom + E.Kane

    It's a very hard trade to evaluate because it really depends a LOT on how much Florida uses Markstrom.

    A typical goalie game is 33 shots, 30 saves (+6), 3 goals against (-3).
    Markstrom might give up 3 goals against, +3. Win 2/5 games. .4 x 5 = 2pts. +5pts
    Quick might give up 2 goals against, +4. Win 3/5 games. .6 x 5 = 3pts. +7pts

    In other words, IF Markstrom & Quick both play the same number of games, Quick is likely to get +2pts MORE per game than Markstrom.

    With your scoring, would/could E.Kane get more points per game than Yakupov?


    I would love (if possible) to see the points-per-game output of these four players for last year.

    I think it's a very close trade.
    In "points-leagues", like these... goalies do not necessarily have much higher elevated value than skaters. They could be very close to the same.

    Evander Kane is a very consistent, very solid producer.
    Is the downgrade from E.Kane to Yakupov better-or-worse than Quick to Markstrom... I don't know?

    This is a very hard one to evaluate... my gut tells me, with your depth of forwards... that you made the RIGHT move.

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    As always, very insightful information and thoughts pengwin. To respond regarding the points each player amassed last year, see below:

    Kane - 137.1 / 2.86 ppg
    Yakupov - 110.1 / 2.29 ppg
    Markstrom - 99.2 / 4.31 ppg
    Quick - 177.4 / 4.79 ppg

    There was no doubt in my mind going into this trade there are a lot of "What ifs". Every player in this deal should improve upon last year's numbers, but I made the deal thinking Quick and Yakupov would see great improvement than Markstrom and Kane.
    8 teams, H2H daily start league
    Keep 5, max 1 goalie

    Skaters - G (3 pts), A (2), PPG (1), PPA (0.5), SHG (2), SHA (1), GWG (2), HT (5), PIM (0.3), Hits (0.1), BS (0.2)
    Goalies - W (5), OTL (2), GA (-1), SV (0.2), SO (3)

    F (17, Start 12): Ovechkin, Tavares, Seguin, McDavid, Couture, Toffoli, Landeskog, MacKinnon, Scheifele, Schenn, Stepan, Voracek, Wheeler, Fabri, E. Kane, Galchenyuk, Barkov, Stastny, Spezza (IR), Sheary (IR)
    D (5, Start 4): Giordano, Schultz, Markov, Phaneuf, Shattenkirk
    G (3, Start 2): Holtby, Lundqvist, Johnson

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