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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Marner and Tavares are untradeable, so consider them untouchable.
    Tavares should be fine after next season when his contract can get reduced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invictus View Post
    Tavares should be fine after next season when his contract can get reduced.
    Who is trading for an $11M 2C who is 34? What is Toronto getting back that it is worthwhile to eat $5.5M? Where is full NMC Toronto-native Tavares saying yes to a trade to?

    Who is trading for an $11M RW who repeatedly disappears in the playoffs? Who is a UFA probably looking for a raise? Where is full NMC Toronto-native Marner saying yes to a trade to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Nation View Post
    I agree. If Calgary doesn't lower their price on Markstrom, I can't see him being moved. Plus, I know the stats looked good for him this season but I just never have confidence in that guy. Personally, I'd look for someone like Kahkonen or Nedeljkovic to pair with Woll and go cheap on goalie hoping that one of those guys break out. You can always trade for someone during the season.
    Markstrom would probably love a chance to play for Toronto instead of Calgary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Who is trading for an $11M 2C who is 34? What is Toronto getting back that it is worthwhile to eat $5.5M? Where is full NMC Toronto-native Tavares saying yes to a trade to?

    Who is trading for an $11M RW who repeatedly disappears in the playoffs? Who is a UFA probably looking for a raise? Where is full NMC Toronto-native Marner saying yes to a trade to?
    No one, which is why I said after next season - when his (Tavares) contract ends and he's no longer 11m.
    No way he should be signing for that much again, and with how much he loves the Leaf's he should be showing it with a hometown discount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invictus View Post
    No one, which is why I said after next season - when his (Tavares) contract ends and he's no longer 11m.
    No way he should be signing for that much again, and with how much he loves the Leaf's he should be showing it with a hometown discount.
    ….how does that help them next season? How does that contribute to Blayze’s point?

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    ….how does that help them next season? How does that contribute to Blayze’s point?
    It doesn't help them next season. They will be in the same boat as they were this season.

    But it's not unfathomable, for them to be able to build a Cup contending roster as short as two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinHunter View Post
    Markstrom would probably love a chance to play for Toronto instead of Calgary.
    IIR correctly, reports were that Calgary wanted a #1 draft pick, a significant roster player, and would not retain when New Jersey was interested. Goalies have never historically returned that much value. Calgary signed Markstrom as a free agent so getting any return, let's say a low 1st, and the cap space is tidy piece of business if you ask me. If I were the acquiring GM, I'd only make that trade with retention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Who is trading for an $11M 2C who is 34? What is Toronto getting back that it is worthwhile to eat $5.5M? Where is full NMC Toronto-native Tavares saying yes to a trade to?

    Who is trading for an $11M RW who repeatedly disappears in the playoffs? Who is a UFA probably looking for a raise? Where is full NMC Toronto-native Marner saying yes to a trade to?
    This....is the dilemma.

    And it's beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyrobot View Post
    This....is the dilemma.

    And it's beautiful.
    I think this has been the dilemma the last couple offfseasons. You weren't trading Matthews and Tavares (NMC, contract, value) and Nylander and Marner are wings who have the least value positionally and then add in Marner's NMC. People yell "split up the core" but the reality has been it was probably the best move to just hope they could figure it out in the playoffs as opposed to making some trade they'd likely lose just to change up the mix. Plus, except for the Montreal series they've played close series against very talented teams. There's a lot of blame to go around starting with the core's playoff performance, Dubas's team construction and contracts, and Treliving having a poor first season and making the team worse than last season.
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    RW- Raymond, Stone, TWilson, Toffoli, KJohnson, Nyqvist, Zary
    LW- Keller, Schmaltz, Bunting, Skinner, Barbashev, Duclair
    D- QHughes, McAvoy, Doughty, Heiskanen, LHughes, Mintyukov
    G- Shesterkin, Demko, Andersen, Kahkonen, Levi, Tarasov, Annunen

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    The only piece of the core that's moving would be Marner and it's if management goes to him and both sides agree that it's time to move on. Then you start looking at a trade where an extension is involved. Then the return is diminished because of this all.

    Then it's finding a roster that has that space, the pieces, and where Marner wants to go. You'll get an Eichel level of return maybe. Which was an NHL player (Tuch), a prospect (Krebs), Conditional 1st, Conditional 2nd. That's what you would be looking at for a return for Marner. Then you would likely then need to flip those pieces for NHL players to help them in their window.

    Leafs are in a tough position...unless they back the Brinks truck up for Cooper.
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    How long before Matthews asks for a trade?

    Like Oiler fans have never heard that one before LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    How long before Matthews asks for a trade?

    Like Oiler fans have never heard that one before LOL!
    I think you legit have 2 years before it's serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    I think you legit have 2 years before it's serious.
    LOL! I'd say it's a fair question now, even after he just signed his new deal. Even HE has to be tired of losing in the 1st round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    LOL! I'd say it's a fair question now, even after he just signed his new deal. Even HE has to be tired of losing in the 1st round.
    If he requested a trade I don't think I'd be super shocked at all at this point in all honesty. I just don't think many people would sign an extension especially after the turnover management had in the offseason, then ask for a trade.

    What I can see more is Matthews demanding change around him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    If he requested a trade I don't think I'd be super shocked at all at this point in all honesty. I just don't think many people would sign an extension especially after the turnover management had in the offseason, then ask for a trade.

    What I can see more is Matthews demanding change around him.
    This ain't Jr hockey. Isn't that what Nylander yelled at Marner on the bench the other night? LOL!
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    Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
    Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt

    Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, SBennett

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