After Patrick and Hischier (who I realize are nowhere close to the top players of '15 and '16) where do some of these other players rank? For instance, where would a Luke Kunin or Sonny Milano slot in for 2017? Thanks for any advice.
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Honestly I think this draft class gets crapped on too much. It has more to do with the top 2 guys not being at an elite level prospect-wise but that doesn't mean the #10 or #20 guy won't be as good or better as the player drafted at the same spot in past years.
That said I haven't done the research to know where guys like Kunin and Milano would fit. I'm just suggesting we don't go too overboard putting down the entire class of prospects.
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It's not looking like a great draft today but there's always a strong chance some gems emerge. I remember 2011 being considered a weak draft but yet Gaudreau, Kucherov, Schiefele and Hamilton are among the best guys taken. I think Kunin and Milano would be in the 10-20 range probably
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I have said this many times, when there's no clear cut superstar at the top of the draft class, people want to call the draft class as "weak". I don't buy this one bit. It's too early to say how strong/weak this draft class will be and we probably won't know until 2-3 years after the draft before anyone can honestly say with any type of certainty how strong/weak the draft class will be.
I'm with Daoust in trying to add in prospects from previous draft classes because I haven't done enough research yet outside of the top five-ten players so I am not going to try an insert a kid like Kunin or Milano yet. That being said, I do like both of those kids quite a bit.
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I don't think it's that weak of a class, lots of intriguing options.
I just think we have all been spoiled the last couple of seasons with Mathews/Laine and McDavid/Eichel as possible franchise players, whereas this class has a lot of guys who I could see being very productive, but not necessarily franchise players
2011 actually was a weak draft year.
When people say it's a weak draft they compare it to other drafts.
Kucherov was drafted in the 2nd and he's the best player in that draft. That shouldn't happen in todays drafts. That's a weak draft.
Gaudreau was a 4th round and Saad was a 2nd.
It's not to say those guys arent good it's more that it was a weak/uncertain draft. So weak that the top 10 point getters from the draft, 4 of them were drafted in rounds 2-7. 4 in the top 7 actually!!
I bet you won't find another draft like that where 2nd and 4th rounders are outproducing 1st rounders. You'll get maybe 1 or 2...but not 3......especially not 4. It doesn't happen with todays scouting.
That's actually probably the weakest draft in the last decade.
I think this draft will be similar.
Obviously some players will emerge but it's the type of draft where you prefer more darts.
Axe nails this for me... How often have we bemoaned a 'weak' class and still had some great players come from it - weak classes tend to be due to the first few guys but generally there are always players that come from each it just becomes even more difficult to predict - who knew that predicting the career of 18 year olds was so difficult... Maybe someone should make a career out of it....
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2014 to me sticks out. It was supposed to be horrid (ok maybe that's going too far). A bunch of solid to star types have developed already from that year with more supposedly on their way. Someone else (forget who) mentioned the lack of a generational talent etc almost equated to people thinking the draft is weak. That being said, I'm not sure I see a ton in this draft I'm excited about outside of Patrick and maybe a few others.
In the fantasy world, we are often more concerned with the first round and a half of NHL picks - this, IMO is what determines what is a good draft from a fantasy perspective. Any players who come along after that are not guys that we're drafting in most cases, until they've emerged later in their development. With those guys set aside, this is how I would compare this years pedigree and likely progression to years past. I've put some detail into each year with examples of players who've impressed beyond their expectations, as well as some who've disappointed. Obviously more recent years are tougher to judge.
2010 - 7/10 (Seguin, Tarasenko, Kuznetsov - Connolly, Campbell, Hishon)
Eight all-stars in the first round and a half but this draft is seven years old already, the rest have developed modestly.
2011 - 6/10 (Scheifele, Miller, Klefbom - Strome, Siemens, Noesen)
There are three all-stars in this first round and a half (IMO Nug was a bit of a gimme simply because of his 1st overall pedigree) the top 10-15 have developed quite well and the rest have developed modestly.
2012 - 4/10 (Galchenyuk, Hertl, Skjei - Yakupov, Koekkoek, Laughton)
This draft has one legitimate all-star in the first round and a half, the rest have developed fairly poorly relative to other drafts and specific placement.
2013 - 7/10 (Monahan, Horvat, Theodore - Morin, Lazar, Klimchuck)
Already three all-stars and likely to be more in the future. Almost every 1st rounder will have seem NHL time by the end of this season; some promise from the 2nd round.
2014 - 10/10 (Draisaitl, Ehlers, Pastrnak - Dal Colle, Milano, Kempe)
This group is still extremely youthful, yet has already proved itself across the board. A very large percentage of the first round will be significant fantasy options by next season.
2015 - 8/10 (McDavid, Eriksson Ek, Werenski - Strome, Zacha, Juulsen)
Boston made this one a little interesting with their back-to-back-to-back picks in the first round. The verdict is still definitely out on this one because of its youth, and could wind up being a 7 or a 9. Most first rounders are still quite promising. Obviously the McDavid-Eichel factor makes it a little top heavy - Strome's development is starting to become disappointing.
2016 - 7/10 (Matthews, Keller, McAvoy - Dubois, Puljujarvi, Fabbro)
Past the top 10 it seems like an okay draft, still very early to tell, but some of the 2nd rounders seem to be developing as fast or faster than some of the late first rounders.
2017 - 6/10
I think what we'll see out of the top 10-20 will be more impactful than what we saw in 2012, but the top 10 certainly will not be as strong as the last 3 years.
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I might consider 2017 to be a 7/10, but obviously there is a lot of ambiguity in those numbers. The top 10 is relatively weak, and the top 20 is unpredictable - there is no denying that their are a large amount of future 2nd-3rd liners in there though
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I actually like this draft class from 3-12 and from the end of round 1 to the end of round 2. It lacks the top picks but makes up for it with a lot of solid choices. Lots of good goalies and D this year.
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In other words if 2005 had been Crosby followed by a bunch of fillers it would have been seen as a better draft class than 2017.
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any decent comparables for Patrick and Hischier? Hard to peg a value on them