Jimmy Vesey - Thoughts on him going forward

[StuntMan12]

23 years old

19 pts in 43 games

Does he have 60 point potential, higher? has he been underwhelming this season? 2 pts in past 12 games i believe

[masterjeff]

60 points would be a career high for him I think.. 50-55 would be the average

[StuntMan12]

Does Kirill Kaprizov, Joel Eriksson Ek, or Nikita Gusev have more value than Vesey in a pts keeper, 15 team 24 player roster, top 12 forward, top 4 d, top goalie count for pts

TRYING TO GAUGE HIS VALUE...IF HE HAS ANY LOL

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Does Kirill Kaprizov, Joel Eriksson Ek, or Nikita Gusev have more value than Vesey in a pts keeper, 15 team 24 player roster, top 12 forward, top 4 d, top goalie count for pts

TRYING TO GAUGE HIS VALUE...IF HE HAS ANY LOL

[Bass56]

All 4 players are prospects... Vessey cracked the NHL and looks decent in his rookie year. At this point, I would favour Vessey over the others but only time will tell who the best player will be.

[The Iron Sheik]

that is not ideal production at all IMO. Doesn't look great for upside. The team scores the most goals in the NHL (or close) and he only has that many points as a 23 year old? Not ideal

[gainerama]

To make it sound even worse, most of his points happened right at the beginning of the season as well. Almost nothing in the last 2 mths.

[The Iron Sheik]

To make it sound even worse, most of his points happened right at the beginning of the season as well. Almost nothing in the last 2 mths.

Interesting. To be fair, he came straight from college to the NHL, and he wasn't a highly regarded prospect forever. I think he needs some AHL time.

[StuntMan12]

Vesey is probably one of the lowest value guys on my team. Here are some players available where I can pick up at the mid season draft (im currently 2nd place so id get 2nd last pick and once we drop a player we lose his points, but when we add a player we gain his points)

My lowest forward that counts for my points is T.J. Oshie 25 pts and lowest d man that counts for my points is Markov 21

PETER BUDAJ 48
CAM WARD 45
STEVE MASON 35
CHAD JOHNSON 34
SAM GAGNER 30
JASON ZUCKER 28
RADIM VRBATA 27
MICHAEL GRABNER 27
PAUL BYRON 27
MIKE FISHER 26
SCOTT DARLING 25
MIKE CONDON 25
CONOR SHEARY 25
VIKTOR ARVIDSSON 25
ALEC MARTINEZ 25
PATRICK MAROON 25
PATRICK EAVES 24
PHILLIP DANAULT 24
DAVID PERRON 24
ANTTI RAANTA 23
ROBIN LEHNER 23
THOMAS GREISS 22
JEFF PETRY 22
RYAN DZINGEL 21
ANDREW COGLIANO 21
PHILIP GRUBAUER 19
ANDERS NILSSON 19
JARED SPURGEON 19
DUSTIN BROWN 19
RYAN HARTMAN 19
MARK LETESTU 19
BRIAN GIONTA 19
PA PARENTEAU 19
RADEK FAKSA 19
DEREK RYAN 18
ANTOINE ROUSSEL 18
ZACH HYMAN 18
NICK BONINO 18
MATT MOULSON 18
JASON POMINVILLE 18
JAY BEAGLE 18
DEVIN SHORE 18
JASON DEMERS 18
RICHARD PANIK 18
AL MONTOYA 17
COLIN WILSON 17
TROY BROUWER 17
BRYAN RUST 17
DION PHANEUF 17
JOSH ANDERSON 17

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Vesey is probably one of the lowest value guys on my team. Here are some players available where I can pick up at the mid season draft (im currently 2nd place so id get 2nd last pick and once we drop a player we lose his points, but when we add a player we gain his points)

My lowest forward that counts for my points is T.J. Oshie 25 pts and lowest d man that counts for my points is Markov 21

PETER BUDAJ 48
CAM WARD 45
STEVE MASON 35
CHAD JOHNSON 34
SAM GAGNER 30
JASON ZUCKER 28
RADIM VRBATA 27
MICHAEL GRABNER 27
PAUL BYRON 27
MIKE FISHER 26
SCOTT DARLING 25
MIKE CONDON 25
CONOR SHEARY 25
VIKTOR ARVIDSSON 25
ALEC MARTINEZ 25
PATRICK MAROON 25
PATRICK EAVES 24
PHILLIP DANAULT 24
DAVID PERRON 24
ANTTI RAANTA 23
ROBIN LEHNER 23
THOMAS GREISS 22
JEFF PETRY 22
RYAN DZINGEL 21
ANDREW COGLIANO 21
PHILIP GRUBAUER 19
ANDERS NILSSON 19
JARED SPURGEON 19
DUSTIN BROWN 19
RYAN HARTMAN 19
MARK LETESTU 19
BRIAN GIONTA 19
PA PARENTEAU 19
RADEK FAKSA 19
DEREK RYAN 18
ANTOINE ROUSSEL 18
ZACH HYMAN 18
NICK BONINO 18
MATT MOULSON 18
JASON POMINVILLE 18
JAY BEAGLE 18
DEVIN SHORE 18
JASON DEMERS 18
RICHARD PANIK 18
AL MONTOYA 17
COLIN WILSON 17
TROY BROUWER 17
BRYAN RUST 17
DION PHANEUF 17
JOSH ANDERSON 17

[StuntMan12]

Standings in my league

TOP 12 FORWARDS
TOP 4 DEFENCE
TOP GOALIE
KEEP 19
MIDSEASON REDRAFT COMING UP SOON WHERE WE CAN DROP A PLAYER AND RE ADD PLAYERS (WHEN YOU DROP A PLAYER U LOSE HIS POINTS, WHEN YOU ADD A PLAYER YOU GAIN HIS POINTS)

1st. 581 pts
2nd. 540 pts (ME)
3rd. 512 pts
4th. 454 pts
5th. 438 pts

1st places team (581 PTS)

EVGENI MALKIN
PATRICK KANE
JOE THORNTON
MIKE RIBEIRO
RYAN GETZLAF
JEFF CARTER
MILAN LUCIC
MIKE CAMMALLERI
HENRIK SEDIN
DANIEL SEDIN
THOMAS VANEK
MATS ZUCCARELLO
JAKUB VRANA
MARIAN HOSSA
JUSTIN WILLIAMS
KEVIN HAYES
NICK FOLIGNO
JOSH BAILEY

KRIS LETANG
DUSTIN BYFUGLIEN
BRENT BURNS
JUSTIN SCHULTZ

CONNOR HELLEBUYCK
SERGEI BOBROVSKY

2ND PLACE (MY TEAM 540 PTS)

SIDNEY CROSBY
WAYNE SIMMONDS
JOE PAVELSKI
JONATHAN TOEWS
COREY PERRY
JAKUB VORACEK
ARTEM ANISIMOV
T.J. OSHIE
ROBBY FABBRI
ANDREW LADD
JASON SPEZZA
KYLE OKPOSO
RICKARD RAKELL
PAVEL BUCHNEVICH
TANNER PEARSON
JADEN SCHWARTZ
JIMMY VESEY
TOMAS HERTL

SHEA WEBER
DOUGIE HAMILTON
ANDREI MARKOV
KEVIN SHATTENKIRK
NIKITA ZAITSEV

BRADEN HOLTBY

3RD PLACE TEAM (512 PTS)

TEUVO TERAVAINEN
JORDAN EBERLE
CLAUDE GIROUX
HENRIK ZETTERBERG
ERIC STAAL
ALEX RADULOV
SEBASTIAN AHO
TYLER JOHNSON
JONATHAN MARCHESSAULT
DEREK STEPAN
NIKOLAI EHLERS
MARK STONE
TYLER MOTTE
NINO NIEDERREITER
JOONAS DONSKOI
MARCUS JOHANSSON

DAMON SEVERSON
NATHAN BEAULIEU
KEITH YANDLE
CAM FOWLER
DREW DOUGHTY
ZACH WERESNSKI

HENRIK LUNDQVIST
BRYAN ELLIOT

4TH PLACE TEAM (454 PTS)

ALEX GALCHENYUK
CONNOR MCDAVID
LEON DRAISAITL
JACK EICHEL
WILLIAM NYLANDER
JONATHAN DROUIN
ANTHONY MANTHA
EVANDER KANE
PATRICK LAINE
TYSON JOST
LOGAN BROWN
J.T. MILLER
ANDRE BURAKOVSKY
ALEX WENNBERG
JARED MCCAN
BROCK BOESER

MATT DUMBA
HAMPUS LINDHOLM
COLTON PARAYKO
OSKAR KLEFBOM
SHEA THEODORE
DARNELL NURSE

CAREY PRICE
JOHN GIBSON

5TH PLACE TEAM (438 PTS)

RYAN JOHANSEN
JOHNNY GAUDREAU
BOONE JENNER
RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS
JIRI HUDLER
SCOTT HARTNELL
VLADIMIR NAMESTNIKOV
JONATHAN HUBERDEAU
MARK SCHEIFELE
JAROMIR JAGR
MIKE HOFFMAN
FILIP FORSBERG
CODY EAKIN
ALEXANDER BARKOV
CHARLIE COYLE

VICTOR HEDMAN
KEVIN KLEIN
OLLI MAATA
GRIFFEN REINHART
JACOB TROUBA

CAM TALBOT
PETER MRAZEK
ANDREI VASILEVSKY
ANTTI NIEMI

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[Doug Glatt]

I thought he was overrated/overhyped coming out of the NCAA because he won the Hobey Baker and was a free agent who could sign anywhere he wanted. His production so far seems to confirm my original suspicion. Was puzzled when he signed with NYR since that club has a surplus of talented wingers. I think 50 points is his ceiling. Lately he looks like a 4th liner who is barely hanging on to his job. I acquired him as a throw-in on a deal last summer, thinking that the hype around his signing would inflate his trade value, then traded him away before the season opener for Mat Barzal. Not feeling a single pang of regret thus far.

I like all 3 of the European prospects you mentioned better than Vesey. Only Eriksson Ek might have value this year though, the Wild could bring him back near the end of the season. Dont know if stashing players for the future is part of your league setup.

[StuntMan12]

its keep 19 so i can definitely stash him, if vesey is not one of my keepers next year i can choose someone like eriksson ek or kaprizov if i choose to pick them up.

[Doug Glatt]

I would go with Eriksson Ek then.

[StuntMan12]

ok, im going to drop andrew ladd and possible zaitsev at mid draft then aim for a top prospect, one team is being released so it goes into the draft, i will have a low pick since im high in the standings, the team has lots of good players such as pacioretty, bishop, allen, bergeron, v rask, mikael granlund are most notables, depends how many people show up to mid draft, i figure most of the good players on that team get snagged up before me but i will hope someone good falls to me.

[MasterByte]

I'm not sure if there is a study to back this up, but I feel like the star NCAA players who are moved straight into the NHL take a year to acclimatize to the 82 game schedule. Talented skaters like Eichel, Vesey, etc who move straight into the NHL are not used to having to be 'ON' for the grind of a full NHL season.

[donpaulo]

Alrighty, I have watched just about every Vesey game in NY so far this season and there are a number of factors involved in assessing his "upside".

First is the depth up front. Stepan, Kreider, Zuc are locked up through at least the 18-19 season. Then there is Rick Nash through 17-18 and quite likely the Rangers will try to retain him. Yes he is hurt a little too often and fades away in the 2nd season but he has become a complete player on both sides of the puck and is a core piece of the team. Now figure in JT Miller, Kevin Hayes and the pending RFA Mika Zibanejad. NY has almost 10 million projected cap space for next year so Mika will be resigned. Plus everything I have seen, heard and read from Mika is that he loves playing in NY.

So head count; Step, CK, Zuc, Nash, Miller, Hayes and Ziban. Thats 7 guys not named Vesey.

Now add in Buchnevich.

Then the "other" guys in Fast, Lindberg, Grabner and even Puempel whose hat trick was very impressive.

Not alot of quality ice time for Jimmy Vesey right ?

So strike one,

Here is the good news. The kid competes. He goes to the hard areas of the rink and gets the puck on net, looks for rebounds and has impressive puck sense in that he knows where his linemates are and can anticipate their next strides. He is tough as nails. If he gets popped, he bounces right back. No fear at all that I can detect from watching him. When he gets dropped on his ass in front of the net and crosschecked, the very next shift he is right in the goalies grill again. You have to love his compete level.

I think this aspect alone of his style of play should indicate his upside. If he were paired with say Buchnevich, as they are 23 and 21 respectively I think the two make beautiful music together. The knock on Pavel is a lack of core strength and a little bit of playing with his head down, but there is no doubt the kid has skills. Paired with Jimmy for the next 5 or 6 seasons, I think Vesey approaches 30 goals with some regularity, especially when NY moves on from Nash and Zuc.

Nash and Zuc get the plumb ice time with the extra man. That will go to the guys who produce and Jimmy Vesey does what he needs to score. Perhaps he becomes more of a defensively responsible player with 20-25 goals as the norm but he has higher upside than that. Parked in front or around the net with the extra man. 6'3" 208 pounds, good skater, heads up player with good anticipation and goes to the tough areas of the ice ? whats not to like ?

He currently has 4 PPG which is 1 less than Nylander and 7PPP the same as Tkachuk in 43 games as a rookie buried on the depth chart!
Yes his shooting% is a little high at 16.7, but he has only taken 66 shots so far this season and factor in that Laine is at 18% and Matthews is at 14.7.
Do the math with Vesey taking 200 shots and a familiar linemate such as Buch putting the puck into prime shooting position.

or not.

I am a buyer but fully admit I have rose colored glasses on.