Reply With QuoteI'd say so. Seguin has 85+pt potential especially in DAL. Not sure RyJo ever gets there
How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
Is it significant enough to consider adding the 7th overall Pick + another young piece like Seth Jones in order to get a deal done for Segs?
12 team full keeper dynasty league HeadtoHead - Point-Based
G/ A/P/ PPP/+/-/PIM/SOG/FOW/Hit/TK/BLK/GA/SV/SHO/W
C - Johansen, Giroux, Seguin, Hughes
LW - Laine, Benn, Landeskog, Ehlers
RW - Eberle, Bjorkstrand, Tkachuk, Boeser
D - Seider, Doughty, Jones, D. Hamilton
G - Andersen, Fleury, Saros
Prospects - Guenther, Hofer, Lundkvist,
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
I'd say so. Seguin has 85+pt potential especially in DAL. Not sure RyJo ever gets there
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C: Kopitar, Bergeron, Stepan
W: Benn, Kucherov, Voracek, JVR, Eberle, Steen, Hornqvist, Hoffman
C/W:
Def: Letang, Klingberg
Goal: Lundqvist, Crawford
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Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
Seguin has potential to win an Art Ross or finish Top 3 in voting for another 5 years - Johansen, not so much.
Seguin is an 85-95 point talent. Johansen is 70-75.
8-GM / WK-H2H
Forwards: G=2, A=1, PP/SH= +1, GWG= +2, Shootout G=1, HT= +1
D-Men/Captain: G=3/A=2
Goalies: W=3, OTL=1, SO= +2, SV= .10
Start = 13F, 6D, 2G / Keep 44 (3G)
Captain: Matthews
(F): MacKinnon, Pasta, Marner, Rantanen, Malkin, Barkov, M.Tkachuk, W.Nylander, Pettersson, Gaudreau, Laine, Keller, Miller, B.Tkachuk, Stutzle, DeBrincat, L.Raymond, K.Johnson, Cozens, Quinn, Guenther, Kulich, Cooley
(D): Makar, Dahlin, Q.Hughes, Ekblad, Rielly, Werenski, Letang, Jones, Chychrun, Seider, Edvinsson, Jiricek, Korchinski, Mintyukov, Ceulemans, Hutson
(G): Shesterkin, Demko, Vejmelka
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
I am a big Johansen fan, but if I am the Seguin owner, I'd want a pretty significant secondary piece with Johansen before I'd even consider dealing Seguin for him.
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, SBennett
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
Don't trade seguin for johansen
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C/W Schenn Lindholm Keller Namestnikov PLD schmaltz
C Giroux Stamkos Schiefele Kadri Brassard
W Gaudreau Okposo Mantha Gallagher Rantanen beauviller
D Byfuglien Josi Keith Jones Gudas Ellis
G Schnieder Hellebuyck
I.R Shaw
Prospects (25 games or less)
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Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
This - TBH would be loathe to move Jones with him but if the guy values picks I would move 7 and some later ones. Issue I have with the Jones side is that you are giving up a possible 40 point d man (that don't grow on trees) and think a full year with the Jackets may see his trade value take an upswing. May be worth more dialogue with the GM and seeing what you would need to add to RyJo - you will definitely have to add to himOriginally Posted by fungchen3
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Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
I doubt that RyJo + Jones or the 7th pick will land you Seguin, but it is certainly a step in the right direction. He is too great an offensive threat to acquire him for two guys whose points totals will barely, if at all, equal his production. For example, last year Seguin had 73 pts in 72 games while RyJo and Jones had a combined 91 points in 161 games between them.
Bottleneckers (12/16 in 2022)
16 team, points only. G: 2-W, 4-SO.
Top 9F, 4D & 1G . Keep 15, Max 23
F: J. Robertson, J. Hughes, Tavares, Lafreniere, Cozens, Newhook, Teravainen, Domi, R. Strome, Laine, Rossi, Raymond, Holtz, Perfetti
D: Bouchard, McAvoy, Morrissey, Heiskanen
G: Vasilevskiy
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
Seguin has the higher ceiling but RyJo isn't THAT far off and I see him more as 70-85 over seasons to come.
RyJo did what he did with a weak CBJ and I think he will be way better in a stronger Nashville.
Seguin definitely holds the higher name-value and if I was an owner I would totally exploit it. You'd be selling low on Jones and RyJo - even if the pendulum may have evened out a bit since the latter days of CBJ, I still think he is undervalued.
In the end I think you would be forced to pay much more than it's worth to do the trade - simply because they are generally valued so far apart.
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
The Deal would be Johansen + Vesey + Jones - i am surprised that most of you think that this isnīt even close. Thank you all for your opinions. Not sure I am willing to give up much more... maybe another top 10 Pick on top would do?
12 team full keeper dynasty league HeadtoHead - Point-Based
G/ A/P/ PPP/+/-/PIM/SOG/FOW/Hit/TK/BLK/GA/SV/SHO/W
C - Johansen, Giroux, Seguin, Hughes
LW - Laine, Benn, Landeskog, Ehlers
RW - Eberle, Bjorkstrand, Tkachuk, Boeser
D - Seider, Doughty, Jones, D. Hamilton
G - Andersen, Fleury, Saros
Prospects - Guenther, Hofer, Lundkvist,
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
So you can definitely get Vesey at 7th? I'm trying to think like the owner of Seguin when I say this: "close, very close".
Bottleneckers (12/16 in 2022)
16 team, points only. G: 2-W, 4-SO.
Top 9F, 4D & 1G . Keep 15, Max 23
F: J. Robertson, J. Hughes, Tavares, Lafreniere, Cozens, Newhook, Teravainen, Domi, R. Strome, Laine, Rossi, Raymond, Holtz, Perfetti
D: Bouchard, McAvoy, Morrissey, Heiskanen
G: Vasilevskiy
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
It will either be Vesey or Aho who i also like very much
12 team full keeper dynasty league HeadtoHead - Point-Based
G/ A/P/ PPP/+/-/PIM/SOG/FOW/Hit/TK/BLK/GA/SV/SHO/W
C - Johansen, Giroux, Seguin, Hughes
LW - Laine, Benn, Landeskog, Ehlers
RW - Eberle, Bjorkstrand, Tkachuk, Boeser
D - Seider, Doughty, Jones, D. Hamilton
G - Andersen, Fleury, Saros
Prospects - Guenther, Hofer, Lundkvist,
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
But not getting them... I am offering
12 team full keeper dynasty league HeadtoHead - Point-Based
G/ A/P/ PPP/+/-/PIM/SOG/FOW/Hit/TK/BLK/GA/SV/SHO/W
C - Johansen, Giroux, Seguin, Hughes
LW - Laine, Benn, Landeskog, Ehlers
RW - Eberle, Bjorkstrand, Tkachuk, Boeser
D - Seider, Doughty, Jones, D. Hamilton
G - Andersen, Fleury, Saros
Prospects - Guenther, Hofer, Lundkvist,
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
So based on your sig you've now got Seguin, or is that a different league?
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
Different league
12 team full keeper dynasty league HeadtoHead - Point-Based
G/ A/P/ PPP/+/-/PIM/SOG/FOW/Hit/TK/BLK/GA/SV/SHO/W
C - Johansen, Giroux, Seguin, Hughes
LW - Laine, Benn, Landeskog, Ehlers
RW - Eberle, Bjorkstrand, Tkachuk, Boeser
D - Seider, Doughty, Jones, D. Hamilton
G - Andersen, Fleury, Saros
Prospects - Guenther, Hofer, Lundkvist,
Re: How significant is the difference between Seguin and Johansen?
If I could land Seguin for that price, I would definitely do it and never look back. If I'm the Seguin owner, I would be countering with Johansen and another significant player a level above Jones in return.
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