Valuing categories in roto leagues

[fantasyhockeygeek]

LeMatt, I\'ll definite concede that the whole \"you can recover assists off the waiver wire\" thing is a red herring. But with PIM it\'s definitely true. There must be a way to quantify that effect in all the categories.

And dearyou, I totally agree that one\'s judgement is key to drafting well. But how to value different positions against each other is a key issue in fantasy hockey, so I\'m very curious to see what tools can be used to analyze their relative merits. By looking \"above the bar\" at the standardized stats, I think I\'ve learned a lot about the value of the different positions and I think the method I\'ve used is statistically defensible. This is the whole point, isn\'t it?

Your guys\' contribution was integral to my understanding of this whole puzzle. That\'s super key, and I thank you for it. Karma.

I\'ve finally updated my little model to compare against the standard deviations of the whole player pool. As a parting nod, here is the ranking for skaters my interpretation of JHM\'s \"above the bar\" method provides for a 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 2BN roto league that scores G, A, P, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, SOG. This whole exercise was really interesting to me, and I hope it was useful for others too if for nothing else than the thought exercise. To those not-so-nerds who zoned out early, I totally feel your pain.

1. Ovechkin
2. Crosby
3. Gonchar
4. Phaneuf
5. Zetterberg
6. Malkin
7. Iginla
8. Heatley
9. Lidstrom
10. Lecavalier
11. Green
12. Nash
13. Rafalski
14. Kovalchuk
15. Chara
16. Markov
17. Pronger
18. Hossa
19. D Sedin
20. Thornton
21. Morrow
22. Gaborik
23. Getzlaf
24. Doan
25. Kovalev
26. Boyle
27. Alfredsson
28. St. Louis
29. Vanek
30. Niedermayer

The finding that strikes me as the most significant is that in this top-30, there are 10 D, 8 RW, 7LW, and only 5 C. That tells me that there are only a few elite centres in a roto league, whereas the wings are actually deeper. You can still recover points with a C, but...

Thanks again for helping me develop what I know.

[dearyou]

KARMA!

hey pooladdict...I\'m sure you mentioned it before....but I cant really check through the last 8 pages at this point...but what did you use for your stats? dobbers projections? CBS? ESPN? combination of all?

and...do you have a list longer than 30 names??

awesome

[fantasyhockeygeek]

I\'ve done the roto-valuing based on last years final results and Dobber\'s projections. For the most part, the peripheral stats are based on weighted past performance (shots/g * projected goals = shots, etc).

And yeah, the list goes on and on.

Where I find it useful is adjusting the values to the size and configuration for the league.

If you want the list configured for your league, let me know the league details (number of GM\'s, positions, categories) and your email address and I\'ll fire it off to you.

[dearyou]

League size 10 Teams

3C, 3RW, 3LW, 3D, 4Bench, 2G

G, A, PIM, PPP, +/-, Shots

I will continue to give you Karma as it refreshes every day until the season starts.

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[fantasyhockeygeek]

Not doing it for the karma! Doing it because this board has been extremely helpful to me and I just gotta pay it back.

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