Don't sleep on Mark Stone. He will score 70 points at the minimum.

[ShawneePanthers]

Ev only has one style. Big Ev style.

His style is to sound supremely sure in his predictions, then be dismissive when they flop. Not impressed.

[blayze]

His style is to sound supremely sure in his predictions, then be dismissive when they flop. Not impressed.

He should've been a politician... would've gave Trump a run for his money.

[ShawneePanthers]

He should've been a politician... would've gave Trump a run for his money.

At least Trump has something to his name. And possibly an election victory.

[JohnScott AllStarMVP]

Big Ev is a classic forum 'bot' character, one of those types created by a site to get people riled and to create endless arguments and post counts. Not saying big ev is in this case or that this specific site uses these tactics - but many forum sites go that route to create traffic and the big ev type arguments remind me of other forums where guys fake argue for the sake of fake arguing

[iwinthings]

At least Trump has something to his name. And possibly an election victory.

Like Trump Airlines? Oh that failed, maybe you meant Trump vodka? Hmm, perhaps not that either. Trump Mortgage company? Crap, it also tanked. The comparison between Ev and Trump is fascinating. Spray shit everywhere and eventually a few dribbles make a fancy design and so you claim that you meant to do that, hoping to distract people from all the crap that failed everywhere else.

[havanablast21]

Big Ev is a classic forum 'bot' character, one of those types created by a site to get people riled and to create endless arguments and post counts. Not saying big ev is in this case or that this specific site uses these tactics - but many forum sites go that route to create traffic

Spoken like a true pioneer here (and yet you only joined in January?)

[iwinthings]

Spoken like a true pioneer here (and yet you only joined in January?)

JohnScottAllStarMVP was born out of greatness. Carved from one of the best sports stories of all time. He ain't no bot!

[havanablast21]

Like Trump Airlines? Oh that failed, maybe you meant Trump vodka? Hmm, perhaps not that either. Trump Mortgage company? Crap, it also tanked. The comparison between Ev and Trump is fascinating. Spray shit everywhere and eventually a few dribbles make a fancy design and so you claim that you meant to do that, hoping to distract people from all the crap that failed everywhere else.

Welp... I'd say you won this imagery! Well said.

[Big Ev]

His style is to sound supremely sure in his predictions, then be dismissive when they flop. Not impressed.

Coming from you eh.

Hows mason doing?

[JohnScott AllStarMVP]

Spoken like a true pioneer here (and yet you only joined in January?)

Thank you, that sounds like a compliment. Positivity rep to you. Hopefully you're not a bot and this isn't a fake debate

maybe I'm a bot and you're a bot?!

[Big Ev]

I doubt anybody is surprised. It was a ridiculous statement in the first place. Followed by 17 pages of ridiculous points to support the original ridiculous statement. Now, trying to set up a ridiculous condition to create a ridiculous loophole out of your original ridiculous statement. I guess coming forward like a man with "hey, I took a shot at a bold statement and in the end, I might be wrong" was never on the table. I would have had at least a little respect for that type of stance.

Rylant

um what was the ridiculous statement? He's on pace for 66 points over 82 games. So it was ridiculous to suggest he could get four more then that? Good one rylant.

You people are so out of touch. I literally said I will admit defeat in this case, but I still won over rizee dizzied who said he would not repeat last year ever

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Big Ev is a classic forum 'bot' character, one of those types created by a site to get people riled and to create endless arguments and post counts. Not saying big ev is in this case or that this specific site uses these tactics - but many forum sites go that route to create traffic and the big ev type arguments remind me of other forums where guys fake argue for the sake of fake arguing

im arguing things that I am extremely confident about. I make money every year in fantasy and gambling because of my hockey knowledge. People should and need to start listening.

mark stone is just another player I've been right about. I predicted his stardom ever since he first stepped foot into the NHL in 2011 in the playoffs

[JohnScott AllStarMVP]

JohnScottAllStarMVP was born out of greatness. Carved from one of the best sports stories of all time. He ain't no bot!

my story was born for Disney - a 107 minute film of true inspiration coming to a theatre near you

[Big Ev]

And this is exactly why I tried telling Ev that Stone is NOT a proven commodity. With only one full NHL season under his belt, it's too early in his career to call him proven.

First of all I said he was more proven than scheifele which was fact. I never once said to you he was a fully proven nhler.

But now I will say he is a proven. Those who actually use their eyes to watch stone dominate games know this. There's zero reason he will fade ever.

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With all due respect, read the thread and you'll see why this comparison is apropos from where I sit (Ev can rightfully disagree) and has already been made and explained. Long story short, like Stone, Boyes is one of the VERY RARE examples of a player who, like Stone, scored 60+ points as a 23+ year old rookie. The others, like Boyes, faded quickly, which I pointed out to suggest that past history is not on the side of those who believe Stone will be a productive player in the long term. Remember - I have no rooting interest here, other than to stand behind data, which I always do. In most cases the data turns out to be correct, but in others (OEL, Pavelski) it can be wrong. We'll know in a couple of years with Stone.

the comparison was never apropos because they are completely different players playing in different eras. Stone dominates games with hockey sens and two way ability which boyes never did. Stone is usually the best player on the ice. Boyes was never that kind of player.

We we already know which way this debate is going.,

[JohnScott AllStarMVP]

First of all I said he was more proven than scheifele which was fact. I never once said to you he was a fully proven nhler.

But now I will say he is a proven. Those who actually use their eyes to watch stone dominate games know this. There's zero reason he will fade ever.

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the comparison was never apropos because they are completely different players playing in different eras. Stone dominates games with hockey sens and two way ability which boyes never did. Stone is usually the best player on the ice. Boyes was never that kind of player.

We we already know which way this debate is going.,

makes sense and no offence to rizzle drizzle but not a chance an all star MVP is reading 25 pages of this circus to find a misplaced boyes/stone comparison

you know you're stuff ev, do you drive a tesla by any chance

[RizzeeDizzee]

He's arguing the data, numbers and history. Not his pride.

I all honesty, this is the truth. Sure - maybe I had a bit of extra motivation to argue the numbers in this case due to how adamant EV was, but I cite data so people can have that in front of them when making their decision. That's also why I write 2000 words each week for Cage Match.