i would pick tavares only because hes 3 years younger. when two players are that close, give me whoever has more prime years left!
Giroux
Tavares
I know this was up a couple years ago, but thought it would be fun to discuss now as myself - Giroux (26) owner and another GM - Tavares (23) owner were going over pros and cons. Both of us are torn.
Please look at the cats and not get caught up in the name or who you prefer and reply with who you feel the better option is based on the CATS:
G A SOG GWG PPP SHP H+B FOW
League:Fantrax 18 Team Dynasty, H2H (4C, 8W, 6D, 1G)
Cats:G, A, GWG, PPP, SHP, SOG, H+B, FOW, S, SV%, W, GAA
C: Backstrom,Giroux,MacKinnon,Seguin
W: D.Brown,Hartnell,Hossa,P.Kane
Kesler,Marleau,Perron,Zibanejad
D: Boyle,Del Zotto,Doughty,D.Hamilton,Hedman,Markov
G: Rinne
Bench: Braun,Comeau, Demers,DeHaan,Polak,Stempniak,Wingels --Fleury
i would pick tavares only because hes 3 years younger. when two players are that close, give me whoever has more prime years left!
One day I will quit fantasy hockey, today is not that day.
12 teams dynasty, Points only ( G and A = 1pt)
F: McDavid (12.5M), Kucherov (9.5M), Boldy (7M), Kyrou (8.13M), J. Norris (7.95M), Zegras (5.95M), Kuzmenko (5.5M), Reichel (0.925M), P. Kane (2.75M), Lundell (0.925M), Rasmussen (1.46M), Rossi (0.86M).
D: Korchinski (0.925M), Byram (3.85M), Burns (5.28M).
G: Kochetkov (2M), Shesterkin (5,670M).
Bench: E. Karlsson (10M), Lucius (0.925M), Edvinsson (0.89M), Askarov (0.925M), Quinn (0.86M), Berggren (0.925M), Stankoven (0.81M), Knight (4.5M), Mitchkov (TBD), Athanasiou (4.25M), Samsonov (3.55M), Klingberg (4.15M).
Tavares for me. Younger and he does have a higher ceiling (whether or not he reaches it, who knows). You also HAVE TO consider name value, because after all - Tavares commands a higher price in trades.
LOL... yeah, boy did the forums fight over this battle two & three years ago!
One of the great debates.
I was pro-Tavares then, pro-Tavares now.
I'd still draft Giroux in multi-cat, but Tavares in points-only.
I'd still draft Giroux in multi-cat, but Tavares in points-only.[/QUOTE]
thats the way I see it.
12 team, H2H points, limited keepers
allowed 6 keeper players(PLAYER DRAFTED IN RDS 1-8 NOT ABLE TO BE KEEPER)
Daily starts
16 man roster plus 1 IR
start 6 forwards,4 d, 2 goalies
pts: G=3, A=2, DA=3, DG=5, +/-=1 GWG=1, OTG=2, OTA=1, PPG=2, PPA=1, SHG=3, SHA=1, HT=3, SHOOTOUT GOAL=1
BLKS=.25, HITS=.25, MAJ=2
Goalie pts: WINS=5, SAVES=.20, GA=-1, SO=3
SHOG SAVE=.50, SHOL=2
forwards: M.TKACHUK(k),MARCHAND(k),SCHEIFELE(k)
BENN, GAUDREAU*, COUTURIER*
d: M.RIELLY(k), JOSI*, MCAVOY*, ELLIS
goalies :TALBOT* DEMKO MAF
(k)=keeper
*= no keeper eligibility
bencH: KOPITAR* R. GRAVES ROBERTSON KREJCI
IR E.PETTERSSON(k)
I can't think of any situation that i would take Giroux over Tavares. None.
Edit: Assuming both are centers (because they are).
id take tavares.
10 team Full Keeper Roto League
4C-4LW-4RW-6D-2G-5bench-unlimited farm.
C= eichel,horvat,malkin,kuznetsov
LW= forsberg,kreider,lee,b.tkchuch,hertle,granlund
RW= reinhart,radulov,hoffman,laine,hayes
D= doughty,ghostebehere,karlsson,jones,klefbom,dahlin ,skjei
G= price,murray,grubauer,georgiev,ullmark,samsonov
under250gp=nichushkin,tuch,mathesson,marino,pujuja rvi,hosang,terry,andersson,j.hughes,patrik,crouse, zadina,podkolzin,k.miller,nedeljkovic,kravtsov,hay ton
--G,A,P,PPP,SHP,GWG,PIMS,+/-,SOG,hits,FOW,blks-Wins,GAA,SV%,saves,SO
Well, in our "situation", Giroux beat out Crosby this past year after starting the season with a bum finger. We all have preferences, but this is close enough not to remark other as a slam dunk, unless someone can provide slam dunk data. If anyone likes a guy for whatever reason, no problem. But I am looking for more than these type of statements. No disrespect intended.
League:Fantrax 18 Team Dynasty, H2H (4C, 8W, 6D, 1G)
Cats:G, A, GWG, PPP, SHP, SOG, H+B, FOW, S, SV%, W, GAA
C: Backstrom,Giroux,MacKinnon,Seguin
W: D.Brown,Hartnell,Hossa,P.Kane
Kesler,Marleau,Perron,Zibanejad
D: Boyle,Del Zotto,Doughty,D.Hamilton,Hedman,Markov
G: Rinne
Bench: Braun,Comeau, Demers,DeHaan,Polak,Stempniak,Wingels --Fleury
In some leagues counting FOW, if Giroux could be slotted as a "RW"... his value dominated Tavares.
Mind you - that's a positional eligibility issue that most servers should've corrected by now... but for those that play in enough leagues, there's definitely a place for G > JT.
Funny you say that because he had such eligibility and Fantrax just changed it to "C".
I am noting the feedback and views. If anyone has more than picking a name, please share. I suspect other GMs out there may have the same question between the two and would appreciate as much detail as possible.
League:Fantrax 18 Team Dynasty, H2H (4C, 8W, 6D, 1G)
Cats:G, A, GWG, PPP, SHP, SOG, H+B, FOW, S, SV%, W, GAA
C: Backstrom,Giroux,MacKinnon,Seguin
W: D.Brown,Hartnell,Hossa,P.Kane
Kesler,Marleau,Perron,Zibanejad
D: Boyle,Del Zotto,Doughty,D.Hamilton,Hedman,Markov
G: Rinne
Bench: Braun,Comeau, Demers,DeHaan,Polak,Stempniak,Wingels --Fleury
I'll say this though... you should clean up your vote a bit.
I voted Tavares - but then I read your OP about categories... I should have voted Giroux.
I see Tavares as a 85-90pt player.
I see Giroux as an 80-85pt player.
But I think Giroux may beat him in GWG (PHI better team), H+B, and FOW.
If you don't post info in the "poll", people are going to quickly answer based on "points only"... because that's the "rank", most of us stat-checkers see first: Points.
Just saying, I think the poll is misleading.
I'd take Giroux in your format.
With the stat cats in your league I would prefer Giroux over Tavares!!
This is a debate that could start a war.. Your on one side or the other here, this could go on forever..
Zorro says "vote for Dobber"
Angus is my best friend at dobberhockey..
I hear you Pen, I tried my best to point out cats, but should have stuck it in the poll. So right now with your vote for Giroux...
it is really Tavares: 11 Giroux: 9.
League:Fantrax 18 Team Dynasty, H2H (4C, 8W, 6D, 1G)
Cats:G, A, GWG, PPP, SHP, SOG, H+B, FOW, S, SV%, W, GAA
C: Backstrom,Giroux,MacKinnon,Seguin
W: D.Brown,Hartnell,Hossa,P.Kane
Kesler,Marleau,Perron,Zibanejad
D: Boyle,Del Zotto,Doughty,D.Hamilton,Hedman,Markov
G: Rinne
Bench: Braun,Comeau, Demers,DeHaan,Polak,Stempniak,Wingels --Fleury
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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