Karlsson for me. I'm not in the camp that questions whether he can consistently put up these kind of points. If anything, people have been waiting for JT to break out for awhile now.
Don't forget, that's only the mathematical measure of relative points-only value for your format. You have to factor personal bias into the mix, and it appears you are a huge Tavares fan. I would honestly call the difference between the two negligible enough that you can just flip a coin or decide in which position you are deepest. That's just the raw calculation, you need to choose what to do with it
MounD - Double Threat FHL (18-19 champs)
10-Team Yahoo daily H2H Dynasty
3C, 3LW, 3RW, 6D, 2G, 7Bn (IR)
G, A, +/-, PPP, SHP, SOG, FW, HIT, BLK // W, Sv, GAA, Sv%, SHO
C: Bergeron, Barkov, Aho, Point, Kadri
LW: Marchand, Landeskog, Hertl, Marchessault
RW: Stamkos, Tarasenko, Laine, Palmieri
D: Carlson, Letang, Dumba, Weber, Pietrangelo, Ristolainen, Byfuglien*
G: Bobrovsky, Holtby, Lehner, Greiss-Varlamov
Farm: Turcotte, Cozens, Denisenko, Newhook // Sandin, Jokiharju, Dobson, K'Andre // Shesterkin
Karlsson for me. I'm not in the camp that questions whether he can consistently put up these kind of points. If anything, people have been waiting for JT to break out for awhile now.
16 Team H2H League (Keep 6)
3C - 3LW - 3RW - 6D - 2G
2013 1st place, 2014 1st place, 2015 1st place
G, A, +/-, PIM, SOG, HIT, BLK GS, W, GAA, SV%, SO
C= Stall, Marchessault, Hayes, Suzuki
LW= Svechnikov, Goodrow, DeBrusk,
RW= P.Kane, Kucherov, Fiala, Johnson
D= Rielly, Borowieki, Fowler, Hagg, Murphy
G= Demko, Samsonov, Jarry, Allen, Shesterkin, Talbot
Tavares for me. Defense scoring is too unpredictable (yes, I understand just how good Karlsson is), and for that reason I would simply rather have a top tier forward than defenseman.
Be careful with this analysis. You are doing it correctly, but you need to develop a strong understanding of what you expect Tavares and Karlsson to consistently produce. I think 85 is a reasonable number for Tavares to put up year in year out, so I'm fine with that one. I have a hard time seeing Karlsson consistently producing 70 points and would be much more comfortable projecting him at a 55, maybe 60 point level. So to me, Tavares is still the best option with this analysis.
I see Karlsson as a lock for 65, I don’t get why people say they don’t like his possible inconsistency. 2/3 yrs he put up 70 points, and the odd yr out he put up 14pts in 17 games, with 60% of an achilles.
12 Team, H2H, Keep 6 (in Bold)
G, A, Pts, PPP, FW, SOG, Hits, Blocks
W, Saves, S%, GAA, Game Started
2C, 2LW, 2RW, 4D, 1Util, 2G, 5BN, 2IR, 1IR+, 1NA
C: Horvat, Trocheck
LW: J. Robertson, Byfield (C), Guenther
RW: Pavelski (C), Giroux (C), Svechnikov (LW)
D: Fox, Makar, Bouchard, Morrissey, Gudas
Util: Meier (LW, RW)
G: Oettinger, Georgiev, Samsonov, Woll
Tavares because he will have more overall impact. Who cares if Karlsson is the Crosby of D, Tavares is not even far behind Crosby himself. I don't get wrapped up in positional ranking when it comes to superstars like Tavares. Im just not sure why you'd want to trade away a higher impact guy just to know youve got the best Dman if it doesnt truly put you closer to winning.
12 team H2H Most Cats Wins; Keep 6/winner keeps 7; G A PPP +/- SHP SOG HIT BLK PIM // W SV GAA SV% SHO
3 C, 3 LW, 3 RW, 6D, 2G, 5 bench
C - McDavid, Crosby, Tavares, Hertl
LW - DeBrincat, Boldy, Lafreniere
RW - Meier, Miller, Boeser, Nichushkin
D - Dobson, Karlsson
G - Jarry, Luukkonen
16 Team H2H League (Keep 6)
3C - 3LW - 3RW - 6D - 2G
2013 1st place, 2014 1st place, 2015 1st place
G, A, +/-, PIM, SOG, HIT, BLK GS, W, GAA, SV%, SO
C= Stall, Marchessault, Hayes, Suzuki
LW= Svechnikov, Goodrow, DeBrusk,
RW= P.Kane, Kucherov, Fiala, Johnson
D= Rielly, Borowieki, Fowler, Hagg, Murphy
G= Demko, Samsonov, Jarry, Allen, Shesterkin, Talbot
10 team H2H !Y League (4 keepers - at least 1 must be a D-man OR Goalie)
Start - 2C, 2L, 2R, 1U, 3D, 2G, 6Bench, 2IR, 2IR+ (Daily) (5 moves per week)
Skaters - G, A, +/-, PPP, PIM, HITS, BS, GWG, SOG
Goalies - Wins, Saves, S%, GAA (Min. 4 starts)
Championships 2007, 2009, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2019*, 2023
C-McDavid, Trocheck, Suzuki
L-B.Tkachuk(C/L), Forsberg, Konecny(L/R)
R-Hyman(L/R), Svechnikov(L/R), P. Kane
D-Dahlin, Josi,
G-DeSmith, Thompson, Hill
IR-Demko
Islanders are also going in the right direction to attract potential FA. New building soon, great fans when they show up (they’ll show up to a winning squad), an elite in Tavares, Okposo by his side, new goalie, and a good group of young guns. Also with the contract given to Halak, I think Snow is even becoming a decent GM haha.
So Tavares will easily improve on those numbers, and has the talent to lock down 80pts a season. The big question is can Karlsson + “draft forward” out point Tavares + “draft defense”? I think Karlsson +forward will come out on top.
12 Team, H2H, Keep 6 (in Bold)
G, A, Pts, PPP, FW, SOG, Hits, Blocks
W, Saves, S%, GAA, Game Started
2C, 2LW, 2RW, 4D, 1Util, 2G, 5BN, 2IR, 1IR+, 1NA
C: Horvat, Trocheck
LW: J. Robertson, Byfield (C), Guenther
RW: Pavelski (C), Giroux (C), Svechnikov (LW)
D: Fox, Makar, Bouchard, Morrissey, Gudas
Util: Meier (LW, RW)
G: Oettinger, Georgiev, Samsonov, Woll
Completely agree. But if I'm a karlsson owner, I'm mentioning that point. Karlsson did it, whereas JT could have did it.
There is some weight to be given to players that hit those marks. Because ultimately your trading for talented guy who can do it, but doesn't have the stats to show yet, whereas Karlsson does (and we mark him as being inconsistent).
Ultimately, I don't think the difference between JT and Karlsson, positionally and otherwise, won't make you win or lose the league. Pretty even. But I would stick with Karlsson until I see him not look like a 70+ defencemen.
16 Team H2H League (Keep 6)
3C - 3LW - 3RW - 6D - 2G
2013 1st place, 2014 1st place, 2015 1st place
G, A, +/-, PIM, SOG, HIT, BLK GS, W, GAA, SV%, SO
C= Stall, Marchessault, Hayes, Suzuki
LW= Svechnikov, Goodrow, DeBrusk,
RW= P.Kane, Kucherov, Fiala, Johnson
D= Rielly, Borowieki, Fowler, Hagg, Murphy
G= Demko, Samsonov, Jarry, Allen, Shesterkin, Talbot
Tavares. Would always rather have elite Forwards over D. Even elite goalies over D. Forwards and Goalies accumulate the most points in your format.
6 Team no limit Keeper. Cap league $100m
Points only G/A=1, Hattrick = +3, Wins = 2, SO = +3, OTL/SOL = +1
12 Forwards, 6 Defense, 2 Goalies, 6 Reserve (any position)
Forwards
Crosby $8.7
Stone $9.5
Svechnikov $7.7
Debrincat $6.4
Hall $6
Meier $6
Guentzel $6
Ehlers $6
Hertl $5.6
Konecny $5.5
Palat $5.3
JT Miller $5.2
Garland $4.9
Kakko $.9
Laff $.9
Defense
Josi $9
Burns $8
Letang $7.2
Nurse $5.6
Werenski $5
Sergachev $4.8
Fox $.9
Goalies
Shesterkin $5.6
Ullmark $5
Hart $3.9
Blackwood $2.8
Ottawa will never have success if karlsson doesn't become defensively responsible. He will drop in points because something has to give if they want to win. Tavares for sure.
Being a Tavares owner i would never trade him straight up for Karlsson
12 team full keeper dynasty league (H2H Points-Based)
scoring cats:
G, A, P, PPP, SHP, +/-, PIM, SOG, FOW, FOL, Hit, TK, BLK, GWG, GA, SV, SHO, W
C: Barkov, MacKinnon, Zegras, Hughes, Matthews
LW: Pavelski,Teravainen, Nichushkin,
RW: Rantanen, Laine, Terry
F: Kakko, Rakell, Granlund
D: Jones, Hamilton, Karlsson, Dahlin, Burns, Thrun,
G: Gibson, F. Andersen, Saros, Hart
Farm: L. Carlsson, Moore, Miroshnichenko, Mintyukov, Zellweger, Askarov, Fedotov, Clang
yeah i think this is a coin toss here and would have no problem taking the guy you like better