Originally Posted by
mister_mcgoo
ok fair enough, we need to look at pure cap hit if we want it to be comparable, lets do that but lets not cherry pick ok? Malkin is worth two Kessels, so that's a bad comparison. Lets look at cheaper contracts though:
Stamkos - 7.5
Parise -7.538
Backstrom - 6.7
Kane - 6.3
Toews - 6.3
I take ANY of those guys over Kessel
have a nice day
Originally Posted by
mister_mcgoo
and you're still ignoring the point I made previously
you absolutely can and SHOULD compare comparable contracts when the max cap is the same. In terms of the league cap:
2012 (60mil) = 2010 (59.5mil)
2013 (64.3mil) = 2011 (64.3mil)
you're cherry picking because you chose all the cap hits HIGHER than Kessels and ignored the ones that were lower. It goes both ways you realize?
It absolutely doesn't make sense to compare pre and post new CBA contracts. Why would that make any sense? The new CBA brought in new rules that changed how teams can resign their own players, rules that were not in place before.
The biggest difference between old and new CBA is the term limit. Teams can now only sign their own players to a max of 8 years, and UFA's can only sign to a max of 7 years. That's pretty signficant actually. Let's use Parise for an example.
Parise waas 28 when he signed with the Wild. He signed a 13 year deal, that takes him to 41. In his last three years, he has a salary of 2, 1, and 1 million, years he's unlikely to play. Those years allow the team to significantly drop his hit. This pushes his hit 9.4 million. Those extra years that are no longer allowed under the CBA, actually allow teams to artificially lower his cap hit. So while it's 7.5 million, that's only because the team was able to push his contract so long into a point he's not likely to play and use those years to give him little salary and push his cap hit down. You can't do that anymore. You think if Parise was a UFA this summer that he'd be asking for 7.5 million a year for 7 years? Doubtful. The new term limit changes everything.
Secondly if you're going to ignore that the term limit changes everything, you have to look at where those other players signed their deals. Stamkos was coming off his first contract and his ELC. Kessel is coming up to his UFA years after he's had two contracts already. It's the exact same thing for Kane, Toews and Backstrom. All coming off their ELC's, got nice raises. Makes little sense to compare their second contracts while RFA's to Kessel's third while in his final year before UFA status. When Kane comes up after 14/15, you can compare Kane's new contract and Kessel's extension. Not before though.
And finally, you can't even look at those contracts and compare them. Kessel's cap hit won't hit the team until next season. Who knows what the cap is then. Once you know, if you still stubbornly continued to only look at cap hit (which makes absolutely no sense without context of any sort), you could compare how each contract stacks up against the cap. But that still wouldn't make sense since you're comparing contracts signed as RFA's to one's signed to one with only one season to UFA, and signed under the old CBA compared to the new CBA.
TL: DR Comparing cap hits makes no logical sense in any way, shape or form.
Last edited by theIceWookie; October 2, 2013 at 9:51 AM.
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