View Poll Results: who would you rather own for your fantasy league team?

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  • Seth Jones

    28 42.42%
  • Justin Schultz

    38 57.58%
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    Let's not forget - Erik Johnson was every bit as touted as Jones heading into his draft year, if not MORE. Jones has potential to be an absolute monster but Schultz has shown us what he can do at the NHL level and it's pretty damn impressive. This is a toughie. I guess I'm just completely down on how the Avs D-Men have ALL panned out and wonder if Jones will buck the trend.
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    I voted for Seth Jones.

    I love Schultz and think he's an incredible player for MOST fantasy formats.

    However... HITS... BLK...
    IF you want to win these kinds of leagues, your defensemen need to rake those categories... along with PIM, if possible.

    Last year:
    Schultz had 15 Hits and 35 BkS. (In 48 games).
    In a full season, that'll project to about 25 Hits and 60 BkS.

    That's bad... that's really, really, REALLY bad in those categories.

    When we talk "Multi-Cat"... we should separate though... here's where I'd rank 'em.

    Points-Only Pools (G,A): Schultz, by a LOT
    Standard Multi-Cat (G,A,+/-,PIM,PPP,SOG): Schultz, by a little
    Hit/Blk Multi-Cat (....Hits & Blocks): S.Jones, by a little

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    I find it intriguing in these poll questions when the poll winner is fairly clearly one guy (Schultz), and the responses clearly favour another (Jones)

    For me, as good of a player as Jones should be, he's yet to play a single game in the NHL. I know one sometimes has to take a chance on those guys, and I know he should be far better in a multi-cat league, but it's hard to go against a guy with 50-60pt potential in Schultz. PP points should be enormous for Schultz down the road.

    I know Schultz's hits and blocks will never be high..but his +/- numbers will improve as the Oilers improve and he should blow Jones out of the water in points. I'm sorry, but Jones - in my admittedly limited viewing - doesn't strike me as a big point producer.

    And let me add, its tough to disagree with Pengwin7. Solid analysis above me, as usual.
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    Short term: Schultz
    Points only: Schultz
    Long term: Jones
    Multi-cat: Jones

    Jones already looks like a man out there.. He is going to have a great career in Colorado..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reuben View Post
    I find it intriguing in these poll questions when the poll winner is fairly clearly one guy (Schultz), and the responses clearly favour another (Jones)

    For me, as good of a player as Jones should be, he's yet to play a single game in the NHL. I know one sometimes has to take a chance on those guys, and I know he should be far better in a multi-cat league, but it's hard to go against a guy with 50-60pt potential in Schultz. PP points should be enormous for Schultz down the road.

    I know Schultz's hits and blocks will never be high..but his +/- numbers will improve as the Oilers improve and he should blow Jones out of the water in points. I'm sorry, but Jones - in my admittedly limited viewing - doesn't strike me as a big point producer.

    And let me add, its tough to disagree with Pengwin7. Solid analysis above me, as usual.
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    Give me Schultz.







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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbabybuda View Post
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    This happens when a bunch of people vote for a player whom is on there roster and they love him but read the comments and relize there out to lunch.
    hahaha! you may be on to something there.

    But I stand by my thoughts.

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    My fear with Jones has been echo'd here. Is he EJ? Is he Hedman? In general the biggest impact dmen are a bit tougher to call.

    The last top 3 drafted dman to make a big fantasy impact was Doughty in 2008. Then he regressed into a big NHL impact but less of a fantasy one.

    Before him it was Berard and Redden in 1995. And they werent the studs everyone is hoping Jones will be.

    The misses (from a fantasy perspective)?

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    2008 - 2nd Drew Doughty
    2008 - 3rd Zach Bogosian
    2009 - 2nd Victor Hedman (lets say jury's out from here out)
    2010 - 3rd Erik Gudbranson
    2012 - 2nd Ryan Murray

    Now obviously a few still could become what everyone is saying about Jones.

    But can we be real here? The odds aren't in his favour. In general our "generational" defencemen from a fantasy perspective aren't the one's you'd expect.

    So if you feel Schultz's AHL work and NHL work this year have you convinced he's a 50+ point dman then i'd say you're much much safer keeping him.

    But honestly. Here's my real question. Do you have Schultz? Or the 2nd overall pick in your draft?

    Because if you have Schultz and can trade it for the pick 1 for 1 then do it and take Drouin or MacKinnon. And if you have the pick do NOT trade it for Schultz... Take Drouin or Mackinnon .

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    I've seen too many high dmen picks stumble for a while, I'll take Schultz on that young oilers team about to bust out. (Its gonna happen.. right?)

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    Jones high draft ranking is due to his size. This is from a fantasy perspective, you take Schultz. Ability to play heavy defensive minutes is not a big factor. Points are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuklaNation View Post
    Jones high draft ranking is due to his size. This is from a fantasy perspective, you take Schultz. Ability to play heavy defensive minutes is not a big factor. Points are.
    Unless you're in a multi-cat league with hits/blocked shots/ shp

    Still, I agree with whoever is saying take a forward with the #2 pick. I don't have jones going until 5/6 in my mock draft.

    As for Schultz/jones, it's close..I think jones being compared to EJ is just because they are both American high defensive picks..jones is a way better skater than EJ was, and also EJ had a pretty devastating knee injury early in his career.

    Also, I think Jones has to add to his upper body strength/size for the NHL and might not be able to handle the physicality in season1. If they were smart they would let him play down 1 year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by znith View Post
    Also, I think Jones has to add to his upper body strength/size for the NHL and might not be able to handle the physicality in season1. If they were smart they would let him play down 1 year.
    He's probably one of those cases where another season of junior doesn't really help him but the NHL might be a bit overwhelming and unfortunately due the the CHL/NHL agreement, he can't play in the AHL.

    And to the original question, fantasy-wise I would take Schultz.
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