I'm not even sure why people still expect fair treatment at the Shanahan level. Fans have been barking up that tree for years and they still can't get it right.
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He needs to get his face smashed in for two handing someone in the back of the legs like that.Originally Posted by doulos
I have not watched as many Edm games as I usually do this year but I have heard from a few of my friends in Edm that Hall is becoming a bit of a dirty player? This needs to be addressed by a veteran in there dressing room if it is true? It is not his job to deal out retribution.
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I agree that Hall is a bit of a dirty player. I also don't like it.
Hanzal dealt with it with a dirty hit of his own.
Besides the knee on Clutterbuck(and who didnt like seeing Clutterbuck get handled, he's been running small skilled players for years), this is the only real dirty thing he's done. Which isn't bad considering he gets run as much as any player in the league.
There's a clip on the Oilers "Oil Change" documentary of Horcoff talking to Hall about the Clutterbuck hit and explaining to him that he needs to make a better decision in that split second moment.
ps. These slashes used to happen every game in the 70's/80's. I'm not condoning it now but let's not act like it was Simon on Hollwegg or Mcsorley on Brashear. I still think Lecavlier's slash on Subban last year was worse then this one and he didn't get any supplementary discipline.
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Did not see the Hanzel hit so Ill take your word for it then. He still needs to get a couple games imo.
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Is anyone really expecting Hall to get more than a slap on the wrist by Shanny? Hall is a star. Stars don't get the same consequences as the pluggers.
I love how the idiot announcer in that video practically yelled "and Hanzal comes FLYING IN!" when he was standing right beside Hall and just pushed him down to the ice. Flying? Overly dramatic much?
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It was quite disappointing to see Hall do that. Although I can understand frustration having played hockey.. that is still assault with a weapon.
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I never compared it to either of those slashes. Those were on a different level. Mcsorley's in particular. He should have went to JAIL for that...
All I'm saying is it was a brutal slash and he should get a couple games and Vinny should have last year as well
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To me this is a fine, unless we are changing the way they normally deal with this stuff in order to curtail unnecessary violence, which I'd be fine with but there's a fine line there. As I pointed out earlier, Michalek is grabbing Hall's stick from the second they engaged. I didn't watch the game but whose to say that wasn't happening all game. With the refs choking down their whistles even more one good way to curtail those impediments is to make the guy pay with a slash. Now that's bound to escalate things even further and that's not where you want to go but if the league is really going to both allow the refs to continue not calling penalties (admittedly there wasn't much there by Michalek but I'm going off the presumption that he was clutching/grabbing all game because I'm a biased Oiler fan) AND to fine guys for taking matters into their own hands then there's a real disconnect at work here. The end result being way less offense and a return of late 90's hockey, if we weren't there already.
I'm probably blowing this issue out and turning it into my own frustration with the degree to which penalties have gone down over the past couple of months but that's still the direction I'm going. If a guy is clutching and grabbing you can do one of a few things:
- Take the high road and just keep on trucking.
- Do it back to him, risking your own penalty and in this case on a guy who isn't a threat.
- Get dirty (ie. the Hall slash), which sends a message not to continue the impeding action.
- Dive
And I'm sure there are a few more. To me the decision to slash there is no different than a lot of the times Pronger would do it someone. If you went out and dangled him/embarrassed him he'd just go out and hack you to send the message not to try that on him any more and it would often work. It's dirty but it's smart. In the case of Pronger you definitely would want the league cracking down on it because he's gaming the system by using one-time dirty actions that result in a minor penalty to curtail endless possible clean offensive rushes. With Hall though, the slash is seemingly done to curtail endless possible uncalled defensive penalties that hinder offense. So really, if the league is going to lay down a suspension here one might conclude that they are saying they don't respect the offensive player's ability to stand up for himself. They aren't directly saying it but that's the leap of logic I am taking here.
Too bad Shannahan is a huge hippocrite because that tantrum deserves a half dozen games.
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....and the referee's should also get a call for missing another one.
I agree with the majority of what you say here. The ref's and the league do need to wake up and start calling the penalty's in order to curtail retaliation. That being said it should not be Hall on your team doing this. That is why you employ goons. If he is being held all game have an some fool 2minute man deal with it. I don't think you or any Oiler fan wants to see Hall get suspended or worse yet become the victim of some retaliation coming back his way that would put him out for an extended period.
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Notes: This behavior is almost always found in people with very low I.Q's, whom have a very low sense of self worth. Impotence is also commonly linked to Grammar Nazi's.
As much as I agree with the sentiment that you don't want Hall getting suspended I think there's something to be said for the guy "fighting" his own battles. I don't know if Michalek necessarily gets the message if some goon comes out later and tries to fight him saying, "Stop holding Taylor's stick." In this instance, Michalek grabs the stick, Hall hacks him right away. That message is more direct.
Agree that message might be a little more direct but now you might be without your best player for a few games with your team only 4 points out of the playoffs.
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grammar Nazi
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(slang, idiomatic) 1. A person who habitually corrects or criticizes the language usage of others, especially in situations where it is unnecessary, e.g. an informal conversation.
Notes: This behavior is almost always found in people with very low I.Q's, whom have a very low sense of self worth. Impotence is also commonly linked to Grammar Nazi's.
I'm cool with that as I don't think anything will come of it. In the grande scheme of things that slash wasn't bad. Dirty? Unquestionably. I've just seen much worse.
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