Hall vs Seguin

[Veritas0Aequitas]

Hall might not have quite the hockey IQ that Seguin has but he makes up for it in work ethic and drive. His situation is better IMO as well.

I'll take Hall.

[joeb323]

Biased Oilers fan here, so take it for what it's worth. I have the pleasure of watching Hall game in and game out, and I am glad the Oilers chose him over Seguin.

Most of the Oilers fans I know recognize that he is absolutely the driving force behind their offense and the best player currently on the team. We could debate on and on who has the most potential among the other young guns on the Oilers but right now he is clearly their most important player.

In terms of Hall vs. Seguin they are both great players, but the fact that Hall has more points in less games, more PPG, and has done this without any sheltered minutes basically playing against the top lines and dmen of opponents every night, I gotta go with Hall. He is a stud plain and simple.

[Leumas]

So how do you guys evaluate hockey sense and hockey IQ?

These terms come up quite a bit in this debate.

[newfcollins]

So how do you guys evaluate hockey sense and hockey IQ?

These terms come up quite a bit in this debate.

If it's a guy I like, he has a high hockey IQ. If I don't like him, he has a low hockey IQ. If he plays for the Leafs, he has no hockey IQ. :-)

[Sens85]

If it's a guy I like, he has a high hockey IQ. If I don't like him, he has a low hockey IQ. If he plays for the Leafs, he has no hockey IQ. :-)

Seems legit.

[havanablast21]

So how do you guys evaluate hockey sense and hockey IQ?

These terms come up quite a bit in this debate.

Just like a report card.
LAST NIGHT...Hall got 4A's and a G...which of course is 1 worse than an F. We all know an F is a failure...and he does one worse?! Like the opposite of Giving 110%. Don't even remind me of the night he managed to earn 3 G's.

Stupid Hall. Couple that with the fact he's in a less favorable position and thrown into the fire early.

I suppose that makes Seguin the "cream" of that draft crop.

(what sarcasm?)

[4horsemen]

Still Seguin.

Stats gained agains the Flames shouldnt' even count at the moment. Half the AHL could beat them.

[havanablast21]

Still Seguin.

Stats gained agains the Flames shouldnt' even count at the moment. Half the AHL could beat them.

Yup...agreed. Hall is an incompetant Hockey Moron. The fact that he currently sits first over all and 1 point a head of Crosby (For Yahoo Fan Pts in My League) over the past 30 days (let alone his standings over 14 and 7 days) means absolutely nothing. There simply isn't any consistency in Hall's game.

5 points against a joke of a Cgy squad
Hat trick against a joke of a Vancouver Squad

OH...and now 17 points shy of PPG status over his 3 year career. Don't be fooled!

Seguin is the clear cut favorite here.......

[sharpp87]

base on what i've seen over the last 3 years I prefer Hall.

he was on a bette pace last season and he is on a better pace this season.

I dont think any choice is a bad choice... just who prefer who.. they are both real solid player.

[Axeman33]

Taylor Hall. That is all.

[rataylor22]

So I am a Pens fan and then a Flames fan, so inherently I am trained to hate on both. I also own both of them in fantasy hockey because I don't care what I said above I love them. Having watched them both a ton, Seguin has more "in a box skill", but Hall is more dynamic. Seguin doesn't create chances like Hall does. When Seguin has the puck, ton of skill, and can make some fantastic plays, but when Hall steps on the ice it becomes more exciting. Hall just creates all of his own offense. I really can't choose between who I would rather have, but Hall is quickly proving to be the best of the kids. No doubt about it. Even both of Eberle's goals last nights were on plays completely driven by Hall and Ebs just had to tap it in the empty net. For everyone saying Hall is the worst of the 5, he leads EDM next leading scorer by 8 points, which is Ganger. He is 13 up on Eberle, 19 up on RNH, and 21 up on Yakupov. Also, for what its worth, he is 15 up on Seguin in 2 less games.

[cizastro]

So I am a Pens fan and then a Flames fan, so inherently I am trained to hate on both. I also own both of them in fantasy hockey because I don't care what I said above I love them. Having watched them both a ton, Seguin has more "in a box skill", but Hall is more dynamic. Seguin doesn't create chances like Hall does. When Seguin has the puck, ton of skill, and can make some fantastic plays, but when Hall steps on the ice it becomes more exciting. Hall just creates all of his own offense. I really can't choose between who I would rather have, but Hall is quickly proving to be the best of the kids. No doubt about it. Even both of Eberle's goals last nights were on plays completely driven by Hall and Ebs just had to tap it in the empty net. For everyone saying Hall is the worst of the 5, he leads EDM next leading scorer by 8 points, which is Ganger. He is 13 up on Eberle, 19 up on RNH, and 21 up on Yakupov. Also, for what its worth, he is 15 up on Seguin in 2 less games.

I agree with this sentiment. I don't follow the Oilers or Bruins closely enough, but in the games I've seen my team play against the Oilers it's clear that Hall is just head and shoulders above the rest of the group. He was a constant threat while on the ice and I actually was fearful every time he went onto the ice due to his ability to create something out of nothing. I haven't seen Seguin live yet, but if it's anything like Hall you can't really go wrong with either one.

[4horsemen]

Yup...agreed. Hall is an incompetant Hockey Moron. The fact that he currently sits first over all and 1 point a head of Crosby (For Yahoo Fan Pts in My League) over the past 30 days (let alone his standings over 14 and 7 days) means absolutely nothing. There simply isn't any consistency in Hall's game.

5 points against a joke of a Cgy squad
Hat trick against a joke of a Vancouver Squad

OH...and now 17 points shy of PPG status over his 3 year career. Don't be fooled!

Seguin is the clear cut favorite here.......

You are officially the easiest wind-up in the entire Dobber hockey community...hahahahaha

What I love most about your argument is that it's one of the clearest strawman blowups I've ever experienced. Please find anywhere, in any post I've ever made, the arguments you're pinning on me?!? Other than Calgary being a joke of a hockey team.....you care to debate that? Let's do it!

[Veritas0Aequitas]

I'll still take Hall while you Seguin lovers wait for him to play catch up.

[Stunaman]

so that we're comparing apples to apples...

in the first two seasons, seguin wasn't given top line, top ppg minutes, while hall has been top line, top ppg minutes since day one. Even this season, seguin hasn't been a staple on the top line, top ppg (although his ice time has gone up).
as his role increases, his production will too.

second thing i'd point out is seguin hasn't missed much time. hall on the other hand played 60-some games in seasons 1&2 and has missed time this year too. admitedly, some of the time missed in one of the seasons was self-inflicted (idiototic horseplay).

i don't think the difference is that big, but give me seguin over hall.