No....no I would not.
High value is not a great reason to trade someone like him. Unless you can get a return so ridiculous you can't say no to it.
Does anyone have a good argument to trade E. Karlsson now? Value doesn't get any higher...and if I were to look for a trade, how big of a return should I be looking for?
12 Team H2H Keeper, 17 Starters (9-F, 6-D, 2-G) 11 bench spots
Cat: +/-, PIMs, G, A, Pts, PPP, SHP, GWG, GAA,
SV%, Wins, SHO
C - Toews, Getzlaf, Hanzal, Stepan Barkov,Pirri
LW-Tatar, Palat, Jokinen, Pacioretty, Etem
RW-Tarasenko, Horton, Nichushkin, Niederreiter, Connolly, Forsberg
D -Subban , Enstrom, Burns, Demers, Sekera, Visnovsky
G - Miller, Khudobin, Berra, Nabokov
Farm Team: Mrazek, Bennett, Tervavainen,Drasaitl
No....no I would not.
High value is not a great reason to trade someone like him. Unless you can get a return so ridiculous you can't say no to it.
Yahoo Full keeper Dynasty League | 20 Teams, 4C 4LW 4RW 6D 2G 3BN |
Categories: (G A +- PPP PIM FOW SOG HITS BLK | W SV GAA SV% SHO)
C - Monahan, Kadri, Barzal, Dubois
LW - Marchand, Benn, Guentzel, Kreider
RW - Laine, DeBrincat, Fischer, Tuch
D - Karlsson, Muzzin, Niskanen, Skjei, Matheson, Forbort
G - Bishop, Lehner
BN - Jankowski, Perlini
Farm
C - Norris
RW - Kyrou
D - Brannstrom
G - Gillies
Karlsson is part of the elite, and should be treated as such. The only way I would consider a trade is if I would be getting elite level talent back.
Karlsson has huge value in 6D league formats.
The only league where I'd sell high on Karlsson right now is multi-cat with Hits/BkS/PIM.
In points-heavy leagues, I think Karlsson should be kept.
His value is farther above waiver-wire defensemen than other ELITES relative to their waiver-wire positions.
In other words, you have to get two fairly elite players back to trade EK away.
i thought the idea was to acquire the best players
Why not trade him? Anyone should be somewhat up for grabs. It depends on the league and the cats. If it's a goalie heavy league and you can get an elite goalie, go for it. If you can work him into a deal to get an elite forward, also go for it. Everyone should be movable if the offer is worth it, thats how you get better.
H2H CONTRACT
C - Larkin 1, MacKinnon 1, Hischier 2
W- Pastranak 1, Kreider1, Benn 1, Schmaltz 1,Teravinen 2, Skinner1, T. Moore [color=red]2[/color
D - Toews 2, DeAngelo 3, Faulk 2, Morrissey 1Spence 4, Marino 1, Mike Reilly 1
G- Hill 1Jarry 3Vanecek 4
MINORS- Slafkovsky, Wallstedt, Gauthier, O. Moore
SKATER +-/G/A/SOG/blocks
GOALIE GAA/W/S
Playing roster: 2C,3W,1F,4D,1G
* length of contract
But saying that, you should honestly be looking at using him to buy one of the elite 3 c. If you can pkg J.T. with him and get one of the big 3 back with a lower value but still very serviceable D, then thats where your aim should be.
H2H CONTRACT
C - Larkin 1, MacKinnon 1, Hischier 2
W- Pastranak 1, Kreider1, Benn 1, Schmaltz 1,Teravinen 2, Skinner1, T. Moore [color=red]2[/color
D - Toews 2, DeAngelo 3, Faulk 2, Morrissey 1Spence 4, Marino 1, Mike Reilly 1
G- Hill 1Jarry 3Vanecek 4
MINORS- Slafkovsky, Wallstedt, Gauthier, O. Moore
SKATER +-/G/A/SOG/blocks
GOALIE GAA/W/S
Playing roster: 2C,3W,1F,4D,1G
* length of contract
If you can trade him in a deal where
a) you win the deal and
b) it strengthens your team
do it.
If not, don't trade him. I don't see this guy pulling a Mike Green in any sense.
20tm UFA/RFA dynasty
Cats: G, A, SOG, STpts, +/-, hits/bs, GAA, Sv%, W+SO
because he is a defenseman it is virtually impossible to get back what he is worth
its not just about getting elite back its about him being so far better than replacement value than other top players at other positions
to the op how many keepers btw
This is something I've been wrestling with as well. Ever since I started reading these boards I've read the 'buy low, sell high' mantra too many times to count. Isn't Karlsson the ultimate sell high? He won the Norris as a 22 year old which, as far as I can tell, hasn't been done since Bobby Orr won his first one in 1968. He isn't leaning on superstars like Ovechkin and Backstrom to score his points, he's doing it all himself. The last defenseman to score 78+ points was Lidstrom (80 pts) in 05-06, although Green has come close twice since. He has played 217 games since his first season in 08-09, only missing 13 games due to injury, so he's durable. I am hard pressed to find a negative thing about him at this point. For his first two years the knock against him was a truly awful +/- (which is the only reason I was able to get him in the first place), but last year he was +16.
The fact that there's nothing bad to say about him is both a good thing and a bad thing. It's a good thing for you, the owner, because you've got this great piece that everybody wants and they have almost no flaws to gravitate towards to make you doubt his value. It's a bad thing because of 'buy low, sell high.' Who wants to buy someone at the absolute height of the market, when the only way to go is down? It'd be much easier for the other GM to wait for Karlsson to stumble a bit so that he has a bit of leverage in talks.
It's incredibly frustrating and I've decided to just hold onto him and enjoy his ridiculous numbers. Trying to get another owner to realize that packaging him with a 90 point forward to land Malkin or Crosby just isn't worth it is exhausting. Likewise, trying to convince another GM that Karlsson is worth more than an 80 point forward is equally tiring.
16 team, full keeper
19 roster players, 15 prospects, 2 farm
Stats: G, A, PPG, SHG, special teams assists, SOG, FOW, PIM, hits, BS, Tk, +/-, W, SO, saves, s%, GAA, SO saves
C: Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, H. Sedin, J. Staal, Hodgson
W: Perreault, Atkinson, Dorsett, Jagr, Burrows, Zuccarello, Hagelin, Condra
D: Karlsson, Keith, OEL, Hamonic, Gudas, Hejda
G: Price, Rinne
Prospects: Lindholm, Cassels, Perlini, Vesey, Sheahan, Teravainen, Jensen, Ceci, Koekkoek, Emelin, Kulikov, Rundblad, Grubauer, Kuemper
A week ago I traded Karlsson, Alfy, Prospal for Enstrom and Tavares
Points-only, keeper league..
I don't think Karlsson will pull a Green, and I'm still unsure about it.. The boards suggested I make the trade though. So I went with it.
16 Team H2H League (Keep 6)
3C - 3LW - 3RW - 6D - 2G
2013 1st place, 2014 1st place, 2015 1st place
G, A, +/-, PIM, SOG, HIT, BLK GS, W, GAA, SV%, SO
C= Stall, Marchessault, Hayes, Suzuki
LW= Svechnikov, Goodrow, DeBrusk,
RW= P.Kane, Kucherov, Fiala, Johnson
D= Rielly, Borowieki, Fowler, Hagg, Murphy
G= Demko, Samsonov, Jarry, Allen, Shesterkin, Talbot