Toronto Maple Leafs

[Dennis]

How bad of an idea would it be to grab Jarry or Comrie off waivers and see how that goes? They're unproven but have potential and both only make around $700k next season. If it doesn't pan out they can go back to Hutch.

[Eskimo Brother]

How bad of an idea would it be to grab Jarry or Comrie off waivers and see how that goes? They're unproven but have potential and both only make around $700k next season. If it doesn't pan out they can go back to Hutch.

If either goes on waivers and makes it all the way to the Leafs (unlikely) then they would be a great add. But I think a trade is more likely.

[ericdaoust]

Can they fit Domingue's $1.15M?

[Eskimo Brother]

Can they fit Domingue's $1.15M?

Unless they only want to ice a 19 man roster, I think it's a no.

[2014olympicgold]

Considering they gotta figure out how to bring back Dermott and Hyman in like 6 weeks, I feel like Domingue is not on their radar yet. They already figured out though how to bring them back...but still.

[lucafen4]

LTIR affects these contracts as well as Horton & Clarkson. Cap friendly shows Dermott & Hyman on LTIR already
This is why they brought in Neuvirth with Hutchinson

[2014olympicgold]

LTIR affects these contracts as well as Horton & Clarkson. Cap friendly shows Dermott & Hyman on LTIR already
This is why they brought in Neuvirth with Hutchinson

Technically they're still all "IR". CapFriendly is just projecting their dollar figures to hit LTIR. They haven't executed the large number of moves they gotta do.

I started trying to navigate a way for the Leafs to move people down to the minors, then LTIR people and what not. But like...being at $94,865,199 Cap total, I can ONLY see Off-season LTIR for all 4 players. Even though all 4 players cap total is 13.663mill, and the Leafs are 13.365 over the cap, they'd be sitting at $0 cap space.

I don't know what's gonna happen when they need to bring Hyman back. Dermott is easier as the Leafs could just waive Holl+Marincin and probably be fine. It's the 2.25mill Hyman I don't see how they can manipulate the cap to get him back in the lineup.

I'm excited to actually see how they tip toe around this.

[Auston'sWilly]

This current cap squeeze makes the Ceci signing all the more peculiar. I still don't get what they were thinking there. Plug in Liljgren instead. Then bringing back Hyman and Dermott in November without a problem.

[2014olympicgold]

Aj-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-JT-Marner
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Kapanen
Spezza-Shore-Moore

Rielly-Ceci
Muzzin-Barrie
Dermott-Harpur

Andersen-Hutch


Forwards – 55.989366
Defense – 17.838333
Goalies – 5.7
Kessel – 1.20
Total – 80.727699
Space – 0.772301

20 man roster, no healthy scratches.

Oddmen out:
Petan, Agostino, Holl, Marincin, Schmaltz

How they get there...Lot of pre-season evaluating. They can get up to 0.797301mill in space if they have Dermott-Schmaltz as their 3rd line pairing too. The bonus of this yr and the contracts though. Not one Leaf in that lineup have performance bonuses. The main guy that has a performance bonus in the Minors that is quite a lot...Liljegren with $400k/yr.

[2014olympicgold]

Also to note, I wonder if the Leafs will be using a waiver eligible player like Mihkeyev, Sandin, Lilj, or Bracco to bounce from AHL to NHL as much as he contractually can to get as many dollars out of the cap space possible. Just a pure paperwork move.

[Eskimo Brother]

Also to note, I wonder if the Leafs will be using a waiver eligible player like Mihkeyev, Sandin, Lilj, or Bracco to bounce from AHL to NHL as much as he contractually can to get as many dollars out of the cap space possible. Just a pure paperwork move.

I don't think that will matter with them using the LTIR anyways.

[2014olympicgold]

I don't think that will matter with them using the LTIR anyways.

It would be to bump their cap space up for any trade deadline deal. Or at least give them the option.

[Eskimo Brother]

It would be to bump their cap space up for any trade deadline deal. Or at least give them the option.

If I'm understanding things correctly, they won't have any deadline cap space to accrue. IT will just be as long as they're under the cap when the LTIR contracts are taken out of the count.

Because the LTIR makes sure that you fill up to the brim of the cap ($81.5M), regardless of if you're $5, $500,000, or $5,000,000 under the cap when LTIR #s are ignored, you won't actually accrue space.
It's tough to explain without going into a full rant, but does that make sense?

[lucafen4]

Technically they're still all "IR". CapFriendly is just projecting their dollar figures to hit LTIR. They haven't executed the large number of moves they gotta do.

I started trying to navigate a way for the Leafs to move people down to the minors, then LTIR people and what not. But like...being at $94,865,199 Cap total, I can ONLY see Off-season LTIR for all 4 players. Even though all 4 players cap total is 13.663mill, and the Leafs are 13.365 over the cap, they'd be sitting at $0 cap space.

I don't know what's gonna happen when they need to bring Hyman back. Dermott is easier as the Leafs could just waive Holl+Marincin and probably be fine. It's the 2.25mill Hyman I don't see how they can manipulate the cap to get him back in the lineup.

I'm excited to actually see how they tip toe around this.

You know that when a player goes on LTIR for part of the season - a portion of their salary remains on LTIR for the duration of the season, even when said player is activated. The longer Hyman is on LTIR the more cap space the leafs will have once activated.

I'm not crunching numbers or anything, but his salary is 2.250m. Say he misses 15 games - they get something 700k in salary cap relief. If he misses 20 games they get something 850k in cap relief. Again, making numbers up but that's roughly how it works.

LTIR at the beginning of the season is more valuable than at the end of the season.

[2014olympicgold]

Oh I know the LTIR rules to a point of talking about them. But I tend to mix up my thoughts on them, so I apologize.

Using LTIR is better than Off-season LTIR (OSLTIR).

- So in the off-season the teams are allowed to go 10% over the cap for a total of $89,650,000
- Leafs are at $94,865,199, so like 16.4% over the cap
- So they've utilized "off-season LTIR" to be able to do this most likely right?
- They're $5,215,199 over the 10% off-season cap relief. They move Clarkson ($5,250,000) onto OSLTIR. Leafs are 10% plus cap compliant
- They sit at $89,650,000 now. $8,150,000 over the cap. To be regular season cap compliant, you need to under the cap upper limit before placing ppl on "LTIR". Leafs need to get under $81,500,000.
- They waive Petan ($775,000), Agostino ($737,500), Marincin ($700,000), and Harpur ($725,000). Leafs sit at $86,712,500, or $5,212,500 over the cap.
- They move Horton ($5,300,000) onto OSLTIR. Leafs sit at $0 cap space with Hyman ($2,250,000), and Dermott ($863,333) on IR and the team roster (counting towards the cap still).
- Leafs LTIR Hyman+Dermott to get to$3,113,333 cap space.

Leafs bring up whoever they want for 15-20games until Hyman and Dermott come back. If they are away from the team for 15 games, they waive who they brought up the first time and activate Hyman and Dermott, they'd have ~$569,512 in cap space.

Or is my thought pattern wrong? It's completely different final numbers than my last page example lol. The cap rules are fun...ish.