Toronto Maple Leafs

[butch]

watched a few periods , man spezza looking really good out there

[Feenom]

watched a few periods , man spezza looking really good out there

Yes, the top 3 are Campbell, Nylander and Spezza. They are all playing for keeps. Not taking too much from this win, yes it's 2 points but against (what seemed to be 1 player) the DeBrincat Black Hawks. Should have been way easier but a win is a win.

[2014olympicgold]

Nylander is your MVP this yr, Spezza is a close 2nd.

Shouldn't have to go to OT against Chicago, but a win is a win.

[ross10019]

Pains me to agree with Invictus but I agree. Marner looks broken. Leafs look Broken.

They are emotionless. It's like they don't care about each other, about the results, nor do they seem to care or have a desire to be playing right now.

"ALL OR NOTHING" helped **** this team. They were already kinda ****ed, but All or Nothing has turned this once great team on paper into "NOTHING"

I watched that amazon thing and man, cringe, especially Dubas pep talk to Marner before Game 7. That cannot be helping Marner at all, he must be miserable right now. To be honest I’m surprised the Leafs didn’t just try to quash the whole damn thing after the playoffs.

[2014olympicgold]

We're one game away from a winning streak.

[Feenom]

Lol and a possible start of a losing streak, fine line…

[Stifler]

I watched that amazon thing and man, cringe, especially Dubas pep talk to Marner before Game 7. That cannot be helping Marner at all, he must be miserable right now. To be honest I’m surprised the Leafs didn’t just try to quash the whole damn thing after the playoffs.

that all or nothing show was brutal. Watching that I could tell after 1 episode where the problems lie in Toronto. Coach + GM are both TERRIBLE at their jobs. No leadership, no motivational skills. just plain shit.

They both should be released yesterday.

Watch the All or Nothing about the NZ All Blacks and see the big difference in leadership.

Dubas + Keefe =

[ross10019]

that all or nothing show was brutal. Watching that I could tell after 1 episode where the problems lie in Toronto. Coach + GM are both TERRIBLE at their jobs. No leadership, no motivational skills. just plain shit.

They both should be released yesterday.

Watch the All or Nothing about the NZ All Blacks and see the big difference in leadership.

Dubas + Keefe =

I think that’s too harsh, but I do agree something was off, I was not super-impressed with either of them. I was expecting way more from
Keefe in particular, The dialogue with Vesey, Mikheyev, the “leadership group” session, the awkward Marner pep talk….

And Shanny? Is it me or did he just come across as a figure-head type with little true hockey mgmt sense? That while part where Dubas is on the phone with Kekalainen trying to trade for Foligno and leaves the room, and Shanny makes this comment that seemed so simplistic. I dint know maybe i’m totally off, but it was weird.

But I bet it wouldn’t be much different if a camera was trained on Bergy for a whole season…

[Axeman33]

I tend to agree, I was not super-impressed with either of them. The dialogue with Vesey, Mikheyev, the “leadership group” session, the awkward Marner pep talk….

And Shanny? Is it me or did he just come across as a figure-head type with little true hockey mgmt sense? That while part where Dubas is on the phone with Kekalainen trying to trade for Foligno and leaves the room, and Shanny makes this comment that seemed so simplistic. I dint know maybe i’m totally off, but it was weird.

But I bet it wouldn’t be much different if a camera was trained on Bergy for a whole season…

I always wonder how much of that stuff is staged because they know they're on camera. I wonder how they really act and talk when there's no camera.

[ross10019]

I always wonder how much of that stuff is staged because they know they're on camera. I wonder how they really act and talk when there's no camera.

Staged to do what, make you seem like you have no clue how to motivate a young NHL player?

What that series told me more than anything is that, in this day and age and with the new younger generation Z kids, the vet leaders in the room are more important than ever - and way more important than the coach or GM. Not just any vets, the ones that command respect by how they carry themselves on and off the ice, by their example not just their words. Spezza impressed me, big Joe too but not as much (more of a jokester in the room guy, which is good, but not what i’m talking about). A guy like Weber must be the king of this. And Crosby/Bergeron. And of the young guys I’d say Barkov.

[2014olympicgold]

I always wonder how much of that stuff is staged because they know they're on camera. I wonder how they really act and talk when there's no camera.

Or how much of it is them acting weird/off because of the camera. Shanny saying that trade thing sounded like a version of man-splaining but for the audience more than who was in the room.

[ross10019]

Or how much of it is them acting weird/off because of the camera. Shanny saying that trade thing sounded like a version of man-splaining but for the audience more than who was in the room.

Actually it sounded to me more like Shanny wanting to say something that showed he knows his stuff for the camera.

And when he says he’s surprised that the Canucks snagged Vesey off waivers? Would have loved to hear his reasoning.

Hey maybe I’m totally off on Shanny and he’s Stevie freakin Y level of hockey mgmt off camera. But something tells me he isn’t even in the same league.

[2014olympicgold]

Actually it sounded to me more like Shanny wanting to say something that showed he knows his stuff for the camera.

And when he says he’s surprised that the Canucks snagged Vesey off waivers? Would have loved to hear his reasoning.

Hey maybe I’m totally off on Shanny and he’s Stevie freakin Y level of hockey mgmt off camera. But something tells me he isn’t even in the same league.

Well Shanahan is the President of the Leafs vs Yzerman the Vice President and GM. It's different roles for each and each franchise uses the President of Hockey Ops role differently.

It's kinda hard to compare the two without us knowing what each person really does behind the scenes.


And that Shanahan thing for the camera, man-splaining is kinda just someone talking down to someone to sound smart. So he could have been doing both lol. Maybe man-splaing was the wrong term for me to use, but I can def see it coming across as him thinking "I'm gonna break this silence, and explain it for the people at home and I get to look like I know what's happening".

I think Shanahan is there to communicate to the League more than anything. He worked for the League before the Leafs and I think his role with the organization is to keep Dubas on track, and be the face to the business side of the league. Yzerman I think was "we want you as GM, and if you're a form of a president, it'll give you the security that we'll go with whatever you think".

[Axeman33]

Or how much of it is them acting weird/off because of the camera. Shanny saying that trade thing sounded like a version of man-splaining but for the audience more than who was in the room.

Thats the point I was trying to say. I don't know for sure, but it just seemed like bad acting to me. Unnatural or even awkward almost.

[Stifler]

I think that’s too harsh, but I do agree something was off, I was not super-impressed with either of them. I was expecting way more from
Keefe in particular, The dialogue with Vesey, Mikheyev, the “leadership group” session, the awkward Marner pep talk….

And Shanny? Is it me or did he just come across as a figure-head type with little true hockey mgmt sense? That while part where Dubas is on the phone with Kekalainen trying to trade for Foligno and leaves the room, and Shanny makes this comment that seemed so simplistic. I dint know maybe i’m totally off, but it was weird.

But I bet it wouldn’t be much different if a camera was trained on Bergy for a whole season…

I definitely expected a better culture in Toronto than what we were shown. I was quite shocked to be honest, but it answers why they can't get it together there for me. It starts at the top.
Keefe just swearing here and there doesn't show any sort of skills on dealing with his players. It was slightly embarassing.

I bet you're right, if the camera was on other teams we'd likely find similar results.

The Shanny part with that trade was very strange indeed. It's almost like these people get jobs based on playing merit.

Just because you were a good player doesn't make you a great GM, President, Leader, etc. It's rampant throughout the NHL in my opinion