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    Quote Originally Posted by DusterDave View Post
    I had this exact thought on my drive home from work just now. If I am Peter Chiarelli I am doing everything I can to acquire Nylander. McDavid is being wasted by playing with replacement level players. As much as they need Nurse/D-men, they need a skilled winger just as bad if not more. You just simply cannot waste anymore years of the best player in the world by not giving him capable line mates.
    Players like McDavid should not need high-end players around him. Look at what Crosby has had over the years. Truly great players can play with replacement-level players and turn them into stars.

    More scoring depth on other lines, well, that's another story. In theory, Edmonton should have that already considering they're paying $8.5M for Draisaitl and $6M for RNH and Lucic. Does adding another $7M on Nylander fix that issue?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DusterDave View Post
    McDavid is being wasted by playing with replacement level players. As much as they need Nurse/D-men, they need a skilled winger just as bad if not more. You just simply cannot waste anymore years of the best player in the world by not giving him capable line mates.
    Please explain this line. "wasted", "replacement level players". McDavid is the 2 time defending Art Ross Trophy winner. He's spent the majority of the past 2 seasons playing with either a former 1st overall pick or a 3rd overall pick. Nylander is not even close to being as good as RNH or Draisaitl.

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    Without going too deep into it, this is a Toronto Maple Leafs thread and not an Edmonton Oilers thread, I started off my post by saying ?If I am Peter Chiarelli?. Meaning, I need to save my job because if Edmonton continues the way they are going, we know damn well he is getting fired, maybe even before season?s end.

    In short, what I meant by wasted years is McDavid sitting at home watching the playoffs on TV instead of competing in them.

    Replacement level players as in Ty Rattie and yes, at this point in his career, Milan Lucic. Who else did McDavid play with last season? Drake Caguilla? Patrick Maroon? Replacement level players. Nylander ?net even being close to RNH? isn?t something I can agree with either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DusterDave View Post
    Without going too deep into it, this is a Toronto Maple Leafs thread and not an Edmonton Oilers thread, I started off my post by saying ?If I am Peter Chiarelli?. Meaning, I need to save my job because if Edmonton continues the way they are going, we know damn well he is getting fired, maybe even before season?s end.

    In short, what I meant by wasted years is McDavid sitting at home watching the playoffs on TV instead of competing in them.

    Replacement level players as in Ty Rattie and yes, at this point in his career, Milan Lucic. Who else did McDavid play with last season? Drake Caguilla? Patrick Maroon? Replacement level players. Nylander ?net even being close to RNH? isn?t something I can agree with either.
    I agree with you that McDavid need a real winger... but they really need an offensive D-man for the PP1 (Klefbom is not a quarterback).
    To be back for the Leafs thread, I suggested Nurse only because he is a a well-round D-man... they don't need a Shattenkirk or another Gardiner.
    A D-man like Nurse or one like Juulsen (MTL) could be a really good fit
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    The issue is, how do you gauge Nylander?s value when looking to get a D-man in return? I think this Nylander for a D-man conversation will be all for not. I expect a bridge deal announcement sometime today. We?ll see.

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    The issue is, how do you gauge Nylander?s value when looking to get a D-man in return? I think this Nylander for a D-man conversation will be all for not. I expect a bridge deal announcement sometime today. We?ll see.
    Exactly. The Taylor Hall/Larsson deal set a bar on what you can get for everyday D-men. Or it moved the needle enough in the wrong way for the Leafs.

    I'm thinking Dubas went to talk to Nylander to explain 2 contract options in person. A bridge vs a long term deal.

    Also....I wonder if the Leafs hire Micheal Nylander for some BS SHL scouting job for like $3mill/yr to just give the Nylander family what he wants at the end of the day. Like why not?
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    Exactly. The Taylor Hall/Larsson deal set a bar on what you can get for everyday D-men. Or it moved the needle enough in the wrong way for the Leafs.

    I'm thinking Dubas went to talk to Nylander to explain 2 contract options in person. A bridge vs a long term deal.

    Also....I wonder if the Leafs hire Micheal Nylander for some BS SHL scouting job for like $3mill/yr to just give the Nylander family what he wants at the end of the day. Like why not?
    I wonder if there would be any repercussions because of this. I have no doubt that this has happened before, especially in lower leagues (less sure of NHL, but it must have at some point, no?). You know with it being Toronto that the rest of Canada would be crying bloody murder about cap circumvention, but is there anything the league could/would do about it? There's a fair case to be made that M. Nylander is qualified for a position.

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    Nylander is not even close to being as good as RNH or Draisaitl.
    Draisaitl I agree with, but 'not even close' to RNH?? Come on.
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    Leafs hired Jimmy Vesey's dad as a minor scout right? They drafted (or UFA signed...) his older brother. They did a bunch of stuff to try and get him.

    Nylander's dad was an OHL coach (Mississauga Icedogs) at one point (so it's not like he's unqualified), so I dunno how you would prove it unless it was recorded or in writing somewhere. Thus the in-person meeting???? hmmmmm....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofax View Post
    Draisaitl I agree with, but 'not even close' to RNH?? Come on.
    I was surprised by this too. I think most people would agree Nylander is very close to RNH. Some could easily argue he's better.
    Draisatl is substantially above both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcouples View Post
    Nylander is not even close to being as good as RNH or Draisaitl.
    That's funny... pretty sure every GM in the league would trade RNH for Nylander in a heartbeat.

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    Pretty disappointing to have not received any sort of update from Dubas regarding his meeting with Nylander in Switzerland. I?m hoping Elliott Friedman or Chris Johnson will have some kind of news tonight on Saturday Headlines but I?m not expecting much. This is getting beyond frustrating at this point. Nylander isn?t doing himself any favours, just sign the best offer kid!

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