haha Dennis its not about the emails either. You can ignore all emails, just not the emails that are warnings about being ilegal and such haha. Really my leagues are very simple to follow and maintain.
I am a GM in the league in question (and one other that is run by XMHX), and I cannot believe the vitriol that has been flying from some people in this thread who are not involved with him or the league. He is a very attentive commish, and pretty patient with the GMs.
Yes, ben10 probably should not have made that post about taking over the team, but I think he has learned a bit from it - he has said as much. Likewise, Mafia may have been a bit hasty in his actions (although I am not privy to the communications or lack thereof between the him and the ousted GM), but I am sure he has learned from it too. All of my dealings with both ben10 and Mafia have been good, they are good guys and enthusiastic about fantasy hockey.
The horse is dead, lets stop beating it.
12 Team Dynasty, H2H (points)
Dress 2C, 4W, 1F, 4D, 1G (Daily)
G (3), A (2), STP (1), SHOG (1), +/- (0.5), SOG (0.2), Hits (0.2), Blk (0.2), FOW (0.1); W (5), SO (2), Sv (0.2), GA (-1)
C - Draisaitl (W), Hughes, Larkin, Trochek
W - T.Thompson (C), Pastrnak, Reinhart, Batherson, Nichushkin, Duchene (C), Zuccarello
D - Dahlin, Theodore, Bouchard, Faber, Werenski, Skjei
G - Jarry, Gustavsson, Montembault
Fm - Bordeleau, Barlow, Lucius, G.Perreault, Luneau, Perunovich, Nikishin
haha Dennis its not about the emails either. You can ignore all emails, just not the emails that are warnings about being ilegal and such haha. Really my leagues are very simple to follow and maintain.
according to what you stated, you kicked him because he had an incomplete roster..something along the lines of he didnt take schneider off the IR. So..can't you just drop schneider from his team?Originally Posted by XMafiaHockeyX
This guy is in 1st place in a money league. Of course he has reason to be pissed off, he could be winning whatever pot your league holds. Instead, you award the 1st place team to a new owner.
If you really believe you did the right thing, why not prove it? Why hide what happened in the 4 months? Let the truth be told. Unless, there is something you're hiding..
hey calm down a bit...
we all know how it is (at least those of us who've managed leagues). try to think of the posts here as nothing more than constructive criticism (even though some posts have a harsh tone).
running a league is a constant learning process. this is a good situation to learn from. Whether it's a change in the written rules (so that every manager in the future is aware that this is a consequence - ie nobody will again be surprised), or whether it's a change in the way you execute your decision... there are a lot of loopholes and issues that can arise... things that you never would have thought of... the only way to address them is to adjust and try to make sure it's not an issue in the future.
obviously this guy felt very wronged. so from here you should try to figure out a way to avoid this circumstance again... you know?
from my standpoint (and probably the other nay-sayers here), you committed possibly one of the few cardinal sins (in that you didn't put it to a league vote). I don't imagine that you will make the same mistake in the future...
saying in that initial email to the guy that the league voted him out, would have been much easier for him to swallow i think... as he wouldn't be able to focus all of his hate on one person (in this case, you).
anyways... i can see both sides... how easy do you think it is for him to find a new league now? that's why i normally try and fight through issues like this, then add/drop teams during the offseason if necessary... it's better for all parties involved.
as comish in my leagues, i always try to think how i would feel if i were the other guy... or another member in the league...
Again... i'm sorry if this is coming off harsh or preachy... it was just a few things on my mind.
12 Team Dynasty League w/ Salary Cap (Updated: 3/23/2011)
(CBS Sports Commissioner's League)
Maximum Salary Cap: 70.5 million
Roster Limit(s):
Total: 23 + 2 available IR slot
Active: C, C, C, W, W, W, W, D, D, D, D, G, G
23 + 1 Man Roster (69.62 million) - 17 Keepers
- Crosby (IR), Carter, Tavares, Duchene, Anisimov, Desharnais
- Ovechkin, Giroux, Downie, Hall (LTIR), Tanguay, Samuelsson, Whitney, Justin Williams, Zuccarello
- Green, Phaneuf, Doughty, Letang, Carlson, Karlsson
- Price, Halak, Neuvirth, Varlamov
Scoring Setup: W, L, GA, Saves, SO
G, A, PIM, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, SOG, GWG, HT, FOW
Its not a money league, as has been stated already.
12 Team Dynasty, H2H (points)
Dress 2C, 4W, 1F, 4D, 1G (Daily)
G (3), A (2), STP (1), SHOG (1), +/- (0.5), SOG (0.2), Hits (0.2), Blk (0.2), FOW (0.1); W (5), SO (2), Sv (0.2), GA (-1)
C - Draisaitl (W), Hughes, Larkin, Trochek
W - T.Thompson (C), Pastrnak, Reinhart, Batherson, Nichushkin, Duchene (C), Zuccarello
D - Dahlin, Theodore, Bouchard, Faber, Werenski, Skjei
G - Jarry, Gustavsson, Montembault
Fm - Bordeleau, Barlow, Lucius, G.Perreault, Luneau, Perunovich, Nikishin
see this is the problem though... sadly, you can't un-ring the bell... and that's where you often run into trouble.
it's not an easy job being a comish... hopefully this thread helps some people appreciate that to some degree...
I really think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. it's not necessarily beating a dead horse... it's actually a decent discussion/conversation piece if you all let it evolve into that...
12 Team Dynasty League w/ Salary Cap (Updated: 3/23/2011)
(CBS Sports Commissioner's League)
Maximum Salary Cap: 70.5 million
Roster Limit(s):
Total: 23 + 2 available IR slot
Active: C, C, C, W, W, W, W, D, D, D, D, G, G
23 + 1 Man Roster (69.62 million) - 17 Keepers
- Crosby (IR), Carter, Tavares, Duchene, Anisimov, Desharnais
- Ovechkin, Giroux, Downie, Hall (LTIR), Tanguay, Samuelsson, Whitney, Justin Williams, Zuccarello
- Green, Phaneuf, Doughty, Letang, Carlson, Karlsson
- Price, Halak, Neuvirth, Varlamov
Scoring Setup: W, L, GA, Saves, SO
G, A, PIM, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, SOG, GWG, HT, FOW
True - so we learn from it and move on.
No its a lot of work and I appreciate it.it's not an easy job being a comish... hopefully this thread helps some people appreciate that to some degree...
Yes you're right - maybe I'm just sick of seeing ppl I like dragged through the mud (not pointing a finger at you, its more the first page and a half, the name calling, etc).I really think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. it's not necessarily beating a dead horse... it's actually a decent discussion/conversation piece if you all let it evolve into that...
12 Team Dynasty, H2H (points)
Dress 2C, 4W, 1F, 4D, 1G (Daily)
G (3), A (2), STP (1), SHOG (1), +/- (0.5), SOG (0.2), Hits (0.2), Blk (0.2), FOW (0.1); W (5), SO (2), Sv (0.2), GA (-1)
C - Draisaitl (W), Hughes, Larkin, Trochek
W - T.Thompson (C), Pastrnak, Reinhart, Batherson, Nichushkin, Duchene (C), Zuccarello
D - Dahlin, Theodore, Bouchard, Faber, Werenski, Skjei
G - Jarry, Gustavsson, Montembault
Fm - Bordeleau, Barlow, Lucius, G.Perreault, Luneau, Perunovich, Nikishin
haha that post wasn't necessarily exclusively aimed at you prairedog... it was more of a general thing... for people in any league.
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and i agree about the first page... if i'd seen it at that point, i would've deleted the thread outright... but it seemed to have progressed into something more constructive by the time i got here...
12 Team Dynasty League w/ Salary Cap (Updated: 3/23/2011)
(CBS Sports Commissioner's League)
Maximum Salary Cap: 70.5 million
Roster Limit(s):
Total: 23 + 2 available IR slot
Active: C, C, C, W, W, W, W, D, D, D, D, G, G
23 + 1 Man Roster (69.62 million) - 17 Keepers
- Crosby (IR), Carter, Tavares, Duchene, Anisimov, Desharnais
- Ovechkin, Giroux, Downie, Hall (LTIR), Tanguay, Samuelsson, Whitney, Justin Williams, Zuccarello
- Green, Phaneuf, Doughty, Letang, Carlson, Karlsson
- Price, Halak, Neuvirth, Varlamov
Scoring Setup: W, L, GA, Saves, SO
G, A, PIM, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, SOG, GWG, HT, FOW
I can't speak for everyone on this thread but my impression was that most of the posts were as lanky notes constructive criticism. I was in a league last year with a heavy handed commish that would just arbitrarily decide things without getting the league to vote on it and it was just awful, I'll never be part of a league like that and I'll never run any of my leagues like that so that's where my cautionary words are coming from.
XMafia, I think quite highly of you, you've always seemed to be a good guy and a sharp hockey mind and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were acting in what you felt to be the best interest of your league. You very well may have made the correct call in this situation, I just wanted to express my concern for taking an authoritarian approach like that when a softer one will often do the trick
easy there denney
the email from commish stated he was sending randy a refund .
''Anyway, I am sending you a refund for the leagues. ''
maybe randy would prefer a few cheeseburgers instead ?
Time for a few of the good old boys to get together and write a primer on being a Commissioner in fantasy hockey - not suggesting anyone named here needs one but this thread does make me think that a very thorough handbook on Commissioning would be a nice resource for folks to access through Dobberhockey. There is an amazing wealth of experience here that might do a great job of that. Casebook as an appendix would be nice too - easy to add to.
mmmmmm on that note... i'm grabbing some grub. hopefully this thread doesn't turn into a crapfest while i step away haha.
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cheeeeeeeeeseburgers... yummm.
12 Team Dynasty League w/ Salary Cap (Updated: 3/23/2011)
(CBS Sports Commissioner's League)
Maximum Salary Cap: 70.5 million
Roster Limit(s):
Total: 23 + 2 available IR slot
Active: C, C, C, W, W, W, W, D, D, D, D, G, G
23 + 1 Man Roster (69.62 million) - 17 Keepers
- Crosby (IR), Carter, Tavares, Duchene, Anisimov, Desharnais
- Ovechkin, Giroux, Downie, Hall (LTIR), Tanguay, Samuelsson, Whitney, Justin Williams, Zuccarello
- Green, Phaneuf, Doughty, Letang, Carlson, Karlsson
- Price, Halak, Neuvirth, Varlamov
Scoring Setup: W, L, GA, Saves, SO
G, A, PIM, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, SOG, GWG, HT, FOW
This is too funny...
Last edited by VintageVibe; October 30, 2009 at 7:26 PM.
The League in London (20 Team Multi-Cat H2H $100 Dynasty League) - Season 11
... In memory of "The Net Detective"
C Pinto kDach Hayton Roy / Lowry Bjugstad Blueger Carrick
LW Lehkonen Knies kJohnson Greenway / Laferriere Reichel Luostarinen Kartye Grebyonkin Buchelnikov
RW Quinn Joseph Roslovic Chinakhov / Kakko Glass Brink O'Connor Holmberg Berggren Tuomaala
D Werenski Hronek Power Guhle McCabe Roy / Gudas Raddysh Pachal Evans Cormier
G Swayman / Hill Mrazek Ivanov Kokko
good thoughts shoeless... really decent point.
there is the "league rules/setup" area... but youre right... there's not really much on "how to run an effective league."
rules are great... but they don't make the league. the best leagues are the ones that run smoothly despite the rules (because we all know that even the most in-depth rules will leave areas of possible dispute)
12 Team Dynasty League w/ Salary Cap (Updated: 3/23/2011)
(CBS Sports Commissioner's League)
Maximum Salary Cap: 70.5 million
Roster Limit(s):
Total: 23 + 2 available IR slot
Active: C, C, C, W, W, W, W, D, D, D, D, G, G
23 + 1 Man Roster (69.62 million) - 17 Keepers
- Crosby (IR), Carter, Tavares, Duchene, Anisimov, Desharnais
- Ovechkin, Giroux, Downie, Hall (LTIR), Tanguay, Samuelsson, Whitney, Justin Williams, Zuccarello
- Green, Phaneuf, Doughty, Letang, Carlson, Karlsson
- Price, Halak, Neuvirth, Varlamov
Scoring Setup: W, L, GA, Saves, SO
G, A, PIM, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, SOG, GWG, HT, FOW
you really took that personal?? wow that´s crazy. Once again it´s not a money league.
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