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    Oh - also.

    1) The management and coaching staff’s full time job isn’t watching and analyzing these kids.

    2) Doing something as a full time job =/= being good at that job. Most of them have these jobs due to nepotism and not much else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    So based on this logic none of us should ever have opinion because its never going to be right...

    Im not an engineer but i world in consulting engineering world and i put my knowledge in what i do against many engineers out there. They got a ring, i got a knowledge but i guess i dont know anything...
    Its doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that there is a wide gap between 1) having an opinion and 2) being so arrogant to think that your opinion is always the best and only option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    So based on this logic none of us should ever have opinion because its never going to be right...

    Im not an engineer but i world in consulting engineering world and i put my knowledge in what i do against many engineers out there. They got a ring, i got a knowledge but i guess i dont know anything...
    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Oh - also.

    1) The management and coaching staff’s full time job isn’t watching and analyzing these kids.

    2) Doing something as a full time job =/= being good at that job. Most of them have these jobs due to nepotism and not much else!
    So again - if you are the best at picking team Canada how have you not proved that to all Canadians already.

    I strongly believe that you are the ONLY person that thinks that you would pick the best Team Canada.
    Now that is what is truly sad and desperate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinHunter View Post
    Yes I am disagreeing with being smarter than those that make the decisions and pick the team.

    We computer warriors that sit at computer and have full time jobs could pick a fantastic team on paper.
    But are any of us smarter than the guys that get to watch these players as their full time job.

    Can any of us say for certain that a player drafted at #9 in 2024 draft is better than a player drafted #22 in 2023 draft?

    the number 9 overall player was drafted higher yes. But the 2023 drafted has one more year of experience, one extra nhl rookie camp under their belt.

    so really can any of us say without a doubt that the 2023 draftee should be there over a 2024 draftee?
    there are lots of high picks that don’t turned out, we all know that - so we can’t just pick team Canada based on where they were drafted. Some high picks are drafted as long term projects as well. Too many variables for us to pick.

    No - because our full time job does not revolve around studying these kids and their development.

    So we can’t pretend to be experts and smarter than team Canada management team all we want. But we are just fooling ourselves if we actually believe we are smarter than them.
    Even though everything you say is likely true :

    1 - We're allowed to question decisions made because :
    1.1 - What you said is true about us, but is also true about them. No, they don't know either if player X or Y will have chemistry, perform under pressure, etc. Nobody has that kind of 'perfect information'.
    1.2 - There's sadly management and coaching positions that aren't given on merit, but on 'who knows who' in Hockey Canada, and that's part of the problem.

    These occasions should be taken to take a step back and question how and why we do organized hockey in Canada. Other countries have 'evolved' faster than us. It's time we consider that 'what we've done with success for years' could be thrown away and done differently.


    But no, I don't and won't pretend I would have picked better. But at least I know they most likely haven't picked the best possible team due to various factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    They over-thought it. That’s the perfect description Axe.
    You are exactly correct here. If you or anyone were born before 1980 or ever watched the movie Miracle you saw that Coach Herb Brooks had the team written down very quickly during the first few practices. There wasn't much thinking about it. He went with the players he thought would gel together and play as a unit. Now as we saw that took time and work in practice, but he was correct and coaches need to do the exact same thing when putting together these kids in these types of tournaments.

    As for tournaments like the ones with 4 Nations there you can put together the most skilled players if you want, but these tournaments with kids it isn't going to work.

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    Sometimes the rest of the world catches up to you, or you get so wrapped up in your own false glory that you allow them to. Canada just didn’t have it this year. Or last year. Everyone from the top to the players failed. _ _ i t happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinHunter View Post
    Yes I am disagreeing with being smarter than those that make the decisions and pick the team.

    We computer warriors that sit at computer and have full time jobs could pick a fantastic team on paper.
    But are any of us smarter than the guys that get to watch these players as their full time job.

    Can any of us say for certain that a player drafted at #9 in 2024 draft is better than a player drafted #22 in 2023 draft?

    the number 9 overall player was drafted higher yes. But the 2023 drafted has one more year of experience, one extra nhl rookie camp under their belt.

    so really can any of us say without a doubt that the 2023 draftee should be there over a 2024 draftee?
    there are lots of high picks that don’t turned out, we all know that - so we can’t just pick team Canada based on where they were drafted. Some high picks are drafted as long term projects as well. Too many variables for us to pick.

    No - because our full time job does not revolve around studying these kids and their development.

    So we can’t pretend to be experts and smarter than team Canada management team all we want. But we are just fooling ourselves if we actually believe we are smarter than them.
    Maybe I dont want that job. Maybe just maybe I am better at putting together a cohesive unit. maybe just maybe i prefer the job i have cause it pays more.

    This is a pretty bad take and to attack a forum member based on their opinion says more about you then it does about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinHunter View Post

    So we can’t pretend to be experts and smarter than team Canada management team all we want. But we are just fooling ourselves if we actually believe we are smarter than them.
    This is an interesting time to be this outspoken with this view. We all just saw firsthand how spectacularly Team Canada got everything wrong about this year's World Junior team. From selecting a coach, the players, their deployment, the style of play, and even their practice schedule. This is not the time to say that Team Canada's management is smarter than the Rataylors of the internet world. All the analysts that questioned Team Canada BEFORE the tournament were RIGHT. We now know definitively that the players Team Canada chose were not the right combination. Too much 2-way play, grit, and penalty-kill and not enough skill. And then to read the press conference comments from Team Canada basically doubling down on their choices is just mind-numbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Nation View Post
    This is an interesting time to be this outspoken with this view. We all just saw firsthand how spectacularly Team Canada got everything wrong about this year's World Junior team. From selecting a coach, the players, their deployment, the style of play, and even their practice schedule. This is not the time to say that Team Canada's management is smarter than the Rataylors of the internet world. All the analysts that questioned Team Canada BEFORE the tournament were RIGHT. We now know definitively that the players Team Canada chose were not the right combination. Too much 2-way play, grit, and penalty-kill and not enough skill. And then to read the press conference comments from Team Canada basically doubling down on their choices is just mind-numbing.
    What did you think they were going to say in the press conference, that they were all dumb asses and that they made horrible selections? It just didn't work, you learn from mistakes and move onto the next time or at least you hope they do for next year. This is year two that Canada has struggled so just maybe this group of kids aren't as good as the kids on Czechia, Sweden or the USA.

    The bottom line is this group of kids who are talented lost and that could be because they were not coached properly, the team did not gel correctly, or the team itself did not measure up to the competition. They couldn't score goals which was the main issue for them when it comes down to it. Whether or not someone on the internet thinks they could have put a better roster together than the people who do this for a living is redundant. The team would still have had to face the same competition that was scoring goals with the same skilled talent and more than likely the same outcome would have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Nation View Post
    This is an interesting time to be this outspoken with this view. We all just saw firsthand how spectacularly Team Canada got everything wrong about this year's World Junior team. From selecting a coach, the players, their deployment, the style of play, and even their practice schedule. This is not the time to say that Team Canada's management is smarter than the Rataylors of the internet world. All the analysts that questioned Team Canada BEFORE the tournament were RIGHT. We now know definitively that the players Team Canada chose were not the right combination. Too much 2-way play, grit, and penalty-kill and not enough skill. And then to read the press conference comments from Team Canada basically doubling down on their choices is just mind-numbing.
    Well if you expected anything else you need to give your head the shake. They will never admit and we all know that. But they must know they screwed up, at least you would hope...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Meow View Post
    What did you think they were going to say in the press conference, that they were all dumb asses and that they made horrible selections?
    I guess I underestimated how pompous Team Canada management is. Kudus to you for already understanding this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Nation View Post
    I guess I underestimated how pompous Team Canada management is. Kudus to you for already understanding this.
    I believe all team management would do exactly the same thing.

    Some coaches and players admit to their mistakes after games, but management I don't think I have ever seen that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Meow View Post
    I believe all team management would do exactly the same thing.
    I disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Nation View Post
    This is an interesting time to be this outspoken with this view. We all just saw firsthand how spectacularly Team Canada got everything wrong about this year's World Junior team. From selecting a coach, the players, their deployment, the style of play, and even their practice schedule. This is not the time to say that Team Canada's management is smarter than the Rataylors of the internet world. All the analysts that questioned Team Canada BEFORE the tournament were RIGHT. We now know definitively that the players Team Canada chose were not the right combination. Too much 2-way play, grit, and penalty-kill and not enough skill. And then to read the press conference comments from Team Canada basically doubling down on their choices is just mind-numbing.
    You’ll probably be able to cut and paste this in to the thread on the 4 nations when Canada disappoints again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Nation View Post
    I disagree.
    Most, not all, management would not throw their kids under the bus. If they implied that they made a mistake in the selection process that is telling the kids that they are not good enough. Obviously behind closed doors is different.

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