View Poll Results: Which players will score at a point per game or better rate in 41+ games?

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  • Victor Arvidsson

    3 2.78%
  • Connor Bedard

    86 79.63%
  • Brock Boeser

    11 10.19%
  • Matt Boldy

    51 47.22%
  • Cole Caufield

    16 14.81%
  • Macklin Celebrini

    0 0%
  • Rasmus Dahlin

    26 24.07%
  • Noah Dobson

    9 8.33%
  • Joel Eriksson-Ek

    6 5.56%
  • Nico Hischier

    36 33.33%
  • Seth Jarvis

    24 22.22%
  • Adrien Kempe

    20 18.52%
  • Timo Meier

    17 15.74%
  • Matvei Michkov

    2 1.85%
  • Valeri Nichushkin

    8 7.41%
  • Lucas Raymond

    25 23.15%
  • Nick Suzuki

    49 45.37%
  • Andrei Svechnikov

    31 28.70%
  • Vincent Trocheck

    11 10.19%
  • Carter Verhaeghe

    25 23.15%
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    Quote Originally Posted by RizzeeDizzee View Post
    If it was 30 choices, I'd have made room for both Kuzmenko and Slaf, plus the aforementioned Wyatt Johnston........Other than that though, it was not easy to land on guys I thought had a realistic chance. Does anyone come to folks' minds as to who else I could've included if I had more spots?
    Im reticent to answer beacuse it this isnt directed at me itll just be a shot accross the bow- lol!

    That said- Im a huge fan of TD taking the bet. To clarify... you get a ginormous bet over the field... in terms of odds- youd never see an offer like this in Vegas. My proposition is: Lafreniere versus the field. Im asking for ïnsursarance"on Bedard- in which case I pay 10 instead of 20. With Laf- as long as he plays 60+ plus Ill bet his "pro rated 82 game pace"against the field. If he falls short of 60 I lose but Ill staypay out the insurance price of 10. This is the best gad dang sports bet going- and TD youre the guy to take this home. You have all the odds in your favour. Its sort of a matter between whether you win 10$ or $20- you just have to put your name on it!

    We can figure out the pay stuff privately-just get at me...
    Weekly hth league- 2c, 3w,1 ff (forward only flex), 4d, 1g, and one true flex. Sog/goal weighted for skaters: G4, A3, Sog1, PPP+1. +/- adds/minuses one for F/3 for D. Workhorse starters = GOLD!

    We are a full dynasty keeper BUT we only protect 8 (9 if you miss playoffs)- which means that you can lose ONE player outside that range each year to the steal round.
    C- Hughes(J), Crosby, McMichael, Buchnevich (C/W), Carlsson (Frm), Wright (Frm)
    W- Marchand, Lafreniere, Zetterlund, Michkov, Stankoven, Slafzilla, Tolvanen
    D- Werenski, Clarke, Carlsson, Orlov, Hughes (L)
    G- Swayman, Sorokin, Kuemper, Fedotov, Nabokov (Frm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RizzeeDizzee View Post
    There were just 5 first timers in 2023-24, ....
    The four players included in last year's poll:
    Bratt
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    Not sure who the fifth player is.
    Last year's poll
    Of the 5 top choices, three were correctly guess by the voters. Only Q Hughes was missed. Pretty impressive.

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    Still wondering if my add of Wyatt Johnston counts since he's not on the poll lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveatEmptorer View Post

    That said- Im a huge fan of TD taking the bet.
    Alright we have a bet. We’ll keep Rizzy’s parameters. If any one of the players doesn’t reach 41 games played they don’t factor in. If Laf doesn’t get 41 games the bet is void. Otherwise, Laf has to have a better per game point pace than everyone on the list who plays at least 41. If Bedard is the only one, payout is $10 vs $20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    Alright we have a bet. We’ll keep Rizzy’s parameters. If any one of the players doesn’t reach 41 games played they don’t factor in. If Laf doesn’t get 41 games the bet is void. Otherwise, Laf has to have a better per game point pace than everyone on the list who plays at least 41. If Bedard is the only one, payout is $10 vs $20.
    I would never bet on anything but I like your odds here. Laf has never hit PPG over a quarter of a season, it's tough to imagine him beat all these guys. He has the draft pedigree and everything and seeing him hit PPG this year is definitely not out of the question...but unless you're his coach and know how you're going to deploy him, it's tough to be overconfident about him.

    Respect to CE for putting his head out there though. If he hits on this bet, that's pretty good bragging rights!

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    Confirmed! If you want to look at putting the money up with a 3rd party service or something like that just pm me and im game. On my end im ok with the honour system but let me know.

    Also- I dont agree with the reasoning (Laf had more ES points than Boldy last year whose a top pick and I am NOT buying this pp time puoe dream- for Laf at all- kids an emerging superstar and if the rags cock block him again you might as well sat your goodbyes now...) BUT...

    I do agree its a good bet for you- lol! Im not being clever or anything. Im trying to do something fun here and even thought the pool nerd in me knows the numbers aren't on my side... lets roll the dice!! I think either outcome yields a cool storyline. Cheers sincerely and its cool.you stepped up...

    Go Lafs go!!!
    Weekly hth league- 2c, 3w,1 ff (forward only flex), 4d, 1g, and one true flex. Sog/goal weighted for skaters: G4, A3, Sog1, PPP+1. +/- adds/minuses one for F/3 for D. Workhorse starters = GOLD!

    We are a full dynasty keeper BUT we only protect 8 (9 if you miss playoffs)- which means that you can lose ONE player outside that range each year to the steal round.
    C- Hughes(J), Crosby, McMichael, Buchnevich (C/W), Carlsson (Frm), Wright (Frm)
    W- Marchand, Lafreniere, Zetterlund, Michkov, Stankoven, Slafzilla, Tolvanen
    D- Werenski, Clarke, Carlsson, Orlov, Hughes (L)
    G- Swayman, Sorokin, Kuemper, Fedotov, Nabokov (Frm)

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    The Rangers top players were all surprisingly healthy last year. Neither of Panarin, Trocheck and Kreider missed a game and Zibanejad missed one. Those 4 are locks on the top PP but chances are, Laf is the first in line as soon as one gets injured or has a stretch of bad play. But he needs PP time to reach a PPG pace. The only forwards who had a PPG pace without including their PP points last year are MacKinnon, Kucherov and McDavid. Laf can't do that.

    I understand your Boldy argument but many other players outscored Laf at ES last year and weren't close to PPG pace because they don't play on the first PP: Hagel, Ehlers, Konecny, to name a few. Technically, Konecny did play first PP but was the Flyers PP really an advantage last year? Lol.

    Anyway, will be fun to track this story all year!

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    The honor system is just fine. We’ll Venmo or Zelle or whatever at seasons end. It’s on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niconasr View Post
    The Rangers top players were all surprisingly healthy last year. Neither of Panarin, Trocheck and Kreider missed a game and Zibanejad missed one. Those 4 are locks on the top PP but chances are, Laf is the first in line as soon as one gets injured or has a stretch of bad play. But he needs PP time to reach a PPG pace. The only forwards who had a PPG pace without including their PP points last year are MacKinnon, Kucherov and McDavid. Laf can't do that.

    I understand your Boldy argument but many other players outscored Laf at ES last year and weren't close to PPG pace because they don't play on the first PP: Hagel, Ehlers, Konecny, to name a few. Technically, Konecny did play first PP but was the Flyers PP really an advantage last year? Lol.

    Anyway, will be fun to track this story all year!
    I'm listening to those names... and I just don't hear any emerging franchise talents like lafreniere is. This bet is 100% about putting my money where my mouth is in that I expect Laf to be the next Jack Hughes...
    Weekly hth league- 2c, 3w,1 ff (forward only flex), 4d, 1g, and one true flex. Sog/goal weighted for skaters: G4, A3, Sog1, PPP+1. +/- adds/minuses one for F/3 for D. Workhorse starters = GOLD!

    We are a full dynasty keeper BUT we only protect 8 (9 if you miss playoffs)- which means that you can lose ONE player outside that range each year to the steal round.
    C- Hughes(J), Crosby, McMichael, Buchnevich (C/W), Carlsson (Frm), Wright (Frm)
    W- Marchand, Lafreniere, Zetterlund, Michkov, Stankoven, Slafzilla, Tolvanen
    D- Werenski, Clarke, Carlsson, Orlov, Hughes (L)
    G- Swayman, Sorokin, Kuemper, Fedotov, Nabokov (Frm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    The honor system is just fine. We’ll Venmo or Zelle or whatever at seasons end. It’s on.
    Cheers dude... BTW... I believe you know what La means in French... its THE...do you happen to know what freniere means?

    Well apparently Google translate says it means:

    Its a topographic name for someone who lived where there was an abundance of ash trees... so just think about that... when Lafreniere LEAVES the field behind... sort of... sort of BARKING up the wrong TREE... so to speak...

    I hope you're better at trash talk cause its clear I can't carry that part of the equation
    Weekly hth league- 2c, 3w,1 ff (forward only flex), 4d, 1g, and one true flex. Sog/goal weighted for skaters: G4, A3, Sog1, PPP+1. +/- adds/minuses one for F/3 for D. Workhorse starters = GOLD!

    We are a full dynasty keeper BUT we only protect 8 (9 if you miss playoffs)- which means that you can lose ONE player outside that range each year to the steal round.
    C- Hughes(J), Crosby, McMichael, Buchnevich (C/W), Carlsson (Frm), Wright (Frm)
    W- Marchand, Lafreniere, Zetterlund, Michkov, Stankoven, Slafzilla, Tolvanen
    D- Werenski, Clarke, Carlsson, Orlov, Hughes (L)
    G- Swayman, Sorokin, Kuemper, Fedotov, Nabokov (Frm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveatEmptorer View Post
    I'm listening to those names... and I just don't hear any emerging franchise talents like lafreniere is. This bet is 100% about putting my money where my mouth is in that I expect Laf to be the next Jack Hughes...
    That was kind of part of my first point in that nobody not named MacKinnon, Kuch or McDavid scored enough ES points to be a PPG player. That includes Hughes who needs his PP production to be a PPG player. I don't think there's any world where Laf scores enough ES to be a PPG player unless he also manages to rack up PP points. He's good and could be as good as Hughes but if he's not getting top PP time, it's almost impossible to get PPG status.

    But as you said previously, if Lafreniere produces so much at ES, it will be on the coach to realize he belongs on the top PP unit as well!

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    My argument isn't that he won't get pp time and break a ppg- thats not even at odds with me. My argument is that hes more talented than all the guys on that list and for that reason there's no way he's held off that list. A few cogent points against this Lafreniere not on the pp discussuon:

    1- With a bullet for me is that I just don't believe for oneqq second he'll be ocked off for on ice reasons and off ice ones. On ice- you have certain guys on the rags top pp who are absolutely crucial to its success- and then you have Trochek. Now hes a great player- versatile- does what's required of him- but if my bet is correct and were dealing with an emerging superstar- I think its sort of laughable (personally) to suggest Vincent Trochek will hold him back. Factor in what Panarin has said privately about Laf being the most exciting player hes played with in a long time and I just don't think theres a very real chance hes not on the top unit. Maybe a month? If you honestly believe that he IS an emerging superstar but also that he WONT crack pp1- I need the number of your weed guy...

    2) As Brennan said in the ramblings- Laf likely has the type of ES production and talent to net a ppg e en if he has to settle for 2nd unit time. Again I don't believe that will happen for one second but for all the ppl.suggesting lack of pp1 time is a death knell for his production it really isn't. Injury point was just as valid- what are the odds one of Kreider l, Ziba or Panarin wont miss significant time? In fact tell me youre sure Kreider alone is guaranteed more than 60 games with a straight face...

    3) Lastly (most importantly)- the rags have done everything possible to botch the development of kakko and laf. If they cock block him with under a minute and a half of pp time again- they might as well tell their contract guy to not even bother drafting an extension. Call me crazy but I don't think they go that route...

    I think this was just a miscommunication- I understand he needs pp time- i think its just a little naive to suggest he won't get it. Its sort of funny that he and boldy have similar ES production and similar positions 9n their team depth chart while Boldy leads the polls behind Bedard!! Lafs not top 20- did i really here top 30???

    Some guys are great at calling the nice predi table upwards trajectories but they have no interest in guys who don't fit in that box. Thats fine but the problem is that we DO have guys that buck those trends and lafreniere is so clearly THAT guy this year lol!

    Lafreniere is tied in 1st on this list. Omitting him- no offense- has to speak to internal bias here. Not said with any animosity- im just saying for any forum members who want to invest in emerging superstar like Hughes before he popped... this is one of your best shots...
    Weekly hth league- 2c, 3w,1 ff (forward only flex), 4d, 1g, and one true flex. Sog/goal weighted for skaters: G4, A3, Sog1, PPP+1. +/- adds/minuses one for F/3 for D. Workhorse starters = GOLD!

    We are a full dynasty keeper BUT we only protect 8 (9 if you miss playoffs)- which means that you can lose ONE player outside that range each year to the steal round.
    C- Hughes(J), Crosby, McMichael, Buchnevich (C/W), Carlsson (Frm), Wright (Frm)
    W- Marchand, Lafreniere, Zetterlund, Michkov, Stankoven, Slafzilla, Tolvanen
    D- Werenski, Clarke, Carlsson, Orlov, Hughes (L)
    G- Swayman, Sorokin, Kuemper, Fedotov, Nabokov (Frm)

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    My argument isn't that he won't get pp time and break a ppg- thats not even at odds with me. My argument is that hes more talented than all the guys on that list and for that reason there's no way he's held off that list. A few cogent points against this Lafreniere not on the pp discussuon:

    1- With a bullet for me is that I just don't believe for oneqq second he'll be ocked off for on ice reasons and off ice ones. On ice- you have certain guys on the rags top pp who are absolutely crucial to its success- and then you have Trochek. Now hes a great player- versatile- does what's required of him- but if my bet is correct and were dealing with an emerging superstar- I think its sort of laughable (personally) to suggest Vincent Trochek will hold him back. Factor in what Panarin has said privately about Laf being the most exciting player hes played with in a long time and I just don't think theres a very real chance hes not on the top unit. Maybe a month? If you honestly believe that he IS an emerging superstar but also that he WONT crack pp1- I need the number of your weed guy...

    2) As Brennan said in the ramblings- Laf likely has the type of ES production and talent to net a ppg e en if he has to settle for 2nd unit time. Again I don't believe that will happen for one second but for all the ppl.suggesting lack of pp1 time is a death knell for his production it really isn't. Injury point was just as valid- what are the odds one of Kreider l, Ziba or Panarin wont miss significant time? In fact tell me youre sure Kreider alone is guaranteed more than 60 games with a straight face...

    3) Lastly (most importantly)- the rags have done everything possible to botch the development of kakko and laf. If they cock block him with under a minute and a half of pp time again- they might as well tell their contract guy to not even bother drafting an extension. Call me crazy but I don't think they go that route...

    I think this was just a miscommunication- I understand he needs pp time- i think its just a little naive to suggest he won't get it. Its sort of funny that he and boldy have similar ES production and similar positions 9n their team depth chart while Boldy leads the polls behind Bedard!! Lafs not top 20- did i really here top 30???

    Some guys are great at calling the nice predi table upwards trajectories but they have no interest in guys who don't fit in that box. Thats fine but the problem is that we DO have guys that buck those trends and lafreniere is so clearly THAT guy this year lol!

    Lafreniere is tied in 1st on this list. Omitting him- no offense- has to speak to internal bias here. Not said with any animosity- im just saying for any forum members who want to invest in emerging superstar like Hughes before he popped... this is one of your best shots...
    Interesting. Let me counterpoint.

    1- Well...coaches are coaches, some of them are set in their ways and a PP that is working is usually not dismantled. And while Trocheck doesn't hold a candle to Lafreniere in terms of pure raw talent, he's a proven commodity on that PP and that matters. Whether we like it or not, we have no idea if Lafrenière on the 1st unit works. He only has 12 career PP points and while that is a symptom of being mostly on the 2nd unit, he hasn't made good on his cup of coffees on the first one either. I also think you're confusing how some people view Lafrenière. Plenty of people believe him to be an emerging superstar. But they mostly all agree that to BECOME that superstar, he needs that top PP time, which won't be given to him just because he's an emerging superstar.

    2- Again, nobody is saying the guy can't produce at ES. He's shown he can. But unless he's an Elite (and I mean ELITE) forward like McD and company, NOBODY is able to hit PPG status with no top PP time. It's not a slight on Lafreniere at all. Simply the reality of how offense and production works at the NHL level. As for the injury point, well you missed my argument about it above it. Only Zibanejad missed a game (ONE game) last year. But let's go back 3 years. Total games missed:

    - Zibanejad: 2
    - Trocheck: 1
    - Panarin: 7 (all in one year)
    - Kreider: 4

    Soo...not sure where the argument can be made that the players in front of him aren't blocking him.

    3- That one is very fair, I will agree that the development of their top picks has been mishandled by the Rags. And yet...they won the President's Trophy last year. So while they will be under scrutiny for how they keep treating Laf (and to some extent Kakko), nobody can really argue the results right now. Plus, Lafrenière doesn't really have much leverage right now and I'm pretty sure he enjoys living in New York and in a winning environment. If he wants to play hardball for better playing time, he eventually can, but that's not helping him this year at all.

    I will admit that Laf probably should've been in this poll even if I understand the reasoning behind not putting him in either. Comparing him to Boldy is weird because Boldy plays on the top line with Kaprizov and on the top PP. So while your overall point that players develop differently and follow different trajectories is spot on, there's not really much argument behind your belief other than the pure talent that Lafrenière has (which no one denies).

    All that being said, it is definitely true that right now is the perfect buying opportunity for Laf. Because if things break right and he does get on that PP1 (which we all know he has the talent for), then watch out. But until then, I think it's fair to wonder if he can hit that ceiling on the team he's currently on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niconasr View Post
    Interesting. Let me counterpoint.

    1- Well...coaches are coaches, some of them are set in their ways and a PP that is working is usually not dismantled. And while Trocheck doesn't hold a candle to Lafreniere in terms of pure raw talent, he's a proven commodity on that PP and that matters. Whether we like it or not, we have no idea if Lafrenière on the 1st unit works. He only has 12 career PP points and while that is a symptom of being mostly on the 2nd unit, he hasn't made good on his cup of coffees on the first one either. I also think you're confusing how some people view Lafrenière. Plenty of people believe him to be an emerging superstar. But they mostly all agree that to BECOME that superstar, he needs that top PP time, which won't be given to him just because he's an emerging superstar.

    2- Again, nobody is saying the guy can't produce at ES. He's shown he can. But unless he's an Elite (and I mean ELITE) forward like McD and company, NOBODY is able to hit PPG status with no top PP time. It's not a slight on Lafreniere at all. Simply the reality of how offense and production works at the NHL level. As for the injury point, well you missed my argument about it above it. Only Zibanejad missed a game (ONE game) last year. But let's go back 3 years. Total games missed:

    - Zibanejad: 2
    - Trocheck: 1
    - Panarin: 7 (all in one year)
    - Kreider: 4

    Soo...not sure where the argument can be made that the players in front of him aren't blocking him.

    3- That one is very fair, I will agree that the development of their top picks has been mishandled by the Rags. And yet...they won the President's Trophy last year. So while they will be under scrutiny for how they keep treating Laf (and to some extent Kakko), nobody can really argue the results right now. Plus, Lafrenière doesn't really have much leverage right now and I'm pretty sure he enjoys living in New York and in a winning environment. If he wants to play hardball for better playing time, he eventually can, but that's not helping him this year at all.

    I will admit that Laf probably should've been in this poll even if I understand the reasoning behind not putting him in either. Comparing him to Boldy is weird because Boldy plays on the top line with Kaprizov and on the top PP. So while your overall point that players develop differently and follow different trajectories is spot on, there's not really much argument behind your belief other than the pure talent that Lafrenière has (which no one denies).

    All that being said, it is definitely true that right now is the perfect buying opportunity for Laf. Because if things break right and he does get on that PP1 (which we all know he has the talent for), then watch out. But until then, I think it's fair to wonder if he can hit that ceiling on the team he's currently on.
    The last paragraph is where im at- ill respond tommorow after I sleep (Great counterpoint btw!!!) But LAF not even being in the discussion is one of the few conclusive times I feel were seeing a mistake!

    To clarify- RD is a deadly asset to all of us- his dedication, intellect, and commitment have helped us all a TON!! Thats beyond debate/reproach... BUT I feel like t1his is sort of egregious... we shall see i guess.. Either way is not an indictment- I just want to out my vote up on the side of Lafreniere for president :P Not diminishing the iptger side if the argument but Im standing firm in my side...
    Weekly hth league- 2c, 3w,1 ff (forward only flex), 4d, 1g, and one true flex. Sog/goal weighted for skaters: G4, A3, Sog1, PPP+1. +/- adds/minuses one for F/3 for D. Workhorse starters = GOLD!

    We are a full dynasty keeper BUT we only protect 8 (9 if you miss playoffs)- which means that you can lose ONE player outside that range each year to the steal round.
    C- Hughes(J), Crosby, McMichael, Buchnevich (C/W), Carlsson (Frm), Wright (Frm)
    W- Marchand, Lafreniere, Zetterlund, Michkov, Stankoven, Slafzilla, Tolvanen
    D- Werenski, Clarke, Carlsson, Orlov, Hughes (L)
    G- Swayman, Sorokin, Kuemper, Fedotov, Nabokov (Frm)

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