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    The top end of this draft class is so fascinating- you could literally start a thread on every guy from 4-12 today and you'd likely get opinions emphatic answers on both sides of the equation for all of them- lol!

    That being said I have a special interest in Kent Johnson - hencefoth referred to as KJ

    Im not going to throw a whole bunch of crap at you guys to insist hes a star because the reality is Im more curious in learning what the consensus opinion is on him more than anything. The only two points of context I have are:

    1) Im really not worried about his stalled development- personally. The team as a whole IS an absolute train wreck but they have absolutely gamebreaking upside at every position. The team as a whole will come around. In the meantime Im a HUGE proponent of sending guys down if theyre not progressing at a given level- you need to allow for 3-5 years for a prospect to even START hitting his stride. Im just saying Id rather lose a year towards getting a guys development back on track than watch him fizzle out. More to the point- I dont need him as an impact player right now so Im really looking at long term outlook with players like this.

    2) I wont do a detailed statistical breakdown outside of saying- its not great BUT its also at least noteworthy that when he got sent down to the A he destroyed it (15 in 10). Its an extremely short sample size and Im not suggesting it GUARANTEES anything- but it should reinforce what the scouts were saying about him at draft time which is that his offensive upside is through the roof.

    All that said- Im aware hes a risk/reward type of player whose risk is getting harder to handle these days. If anyone has any extra insight the rep gun is loaded...
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    I think he’s going to be a terrific player.

    Some buzz around the Habs targeting him for a trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross10019 View Post
    I think he’s going to be a terrific player.

    Some buzz around the Habs targeting him for a trade.
    im sure they targeting Mcdavid too...other team still needs to be willing to move the player...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    im sure they targeting Mcdavid too...other team still needs to be willing to move the player...
    Thanks for the helpful input.

    I’m just relaying what Habs insiders are hearing, that’s all.

    My feeling is no way Waddell gets rid of KJ without seeing him play a season.

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    I’m a bit Leary on KJ I mean he sure hasn’t looked like an NHLer. That being said I know the talent is there. But I worry about his translatability and I heard he’s a bit lazy if a player. Is that true? Personally I don’t know. But if I’m a KJ owner or attempting to “Buy-Low” just be cautious I’m not convinced he’s gonna be a star in the NHL. I used to think that but his stalled development, unlike CE, does bother me. He’s very young and has time but it’s concerning when the cream doesn’t rise to the top even on a dumpster fire like CBJ. That should elevate him further. Time will tell. I’m rooting for him I want to see a star in CBJ. I won’t lie I have a dark horse candidate who will out play KJ in CBJ and that’s Dumais. He’s definitely boom or bust but last year Fantilli was singing Dumais’ Praises about his intelligence and ability to read plays. I was very happy to hear a guy like Fantilli say that I mean he’s supposed to be the star rookie and he’s passing that to JD. Again he’s way riskier than KJ and KJ is by far the better own but I think Dumais will end up being the better player in fantasy. Of course I’m speculating but I haven’t been overly enthralled by what I’ve seen from KJ. Again just my opinion! Love to hear otherwise!

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    I drafted Kent Johnson in one league, was very excited to get him where I did.
    I have NOT enjoyed watching him in the NHL. I don't see it. I think I'm going to be forced to hang onto him...
    But... he just seems like such a "perimeter" player.
    One of those guys that just doesn't have the muscle to make it in the NHL.

    He HAS to put that muscle on... get a little gritty... a little better moving into the middle of the ice.

    Right now... I'm not a fan.
    He feels like... mmm.... thinking of comparable... he's starting to feel more like a Tyson Jost or Sonny Milano...
    I think he'll stay in the NHL long-term... but he's soft. This is a really, really soft & perimeter player at this point in his (VERY EARLY, yes, I know... very early) career.
    Soft means "winger" - and that's fine - but there's absolutely zero odds of him being a "center" right now - that much is clear.
    [As an opposite-comparable... a guy like Peyton Krebs... stats aren't there... actually way worse than Kent Johnson... but Krebs is a gamer. He'll make it. He'll do the dirty stuff. His scoring will come.]


    I go looking for articles on a weekly level hoping to see "Kent Johnson added 15 lbs of muscle this off-season".
    Or "Kent Johnson gets in scrap at local bar".
    Show me something feisty... we all know the handsy stuff is there.


    Right now... versus this draft... I'd probably trade Kent Johnson for a fringe-pick on the hyped group... so #13-#16 overall in the 2024 class.


    As for "putting on muscle" and moving to "middle of ice".
    That's just motivation/bravery.
    Any hockey player *should* have that... if they don't... bad news. Really bad news.
    NHL is still a man's game... you gotta have dog in you. (I mean... Logan Stankoven and Brayden Point... these guys have "dog".)
    Kent Johnson has zero-"DOG" right now in his game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post


    Right now... versus this draft... I'd probably trade Kent Johnson for a fringe-pick on the hyped group... so #13-#16 overall in the 2024 class.
    I've got Johnson too and I wouldn't trade him for a pick in the teens in this draft. Maybe 10 or so if a guy I like has fallen (Sennecke, Iginla, Yakemchuk) I understand your concerns and I have them to a lesser degree. I think the best course of action is to just hold onto him and hope for the best. There's a number of guys in the league with Johnson's profile that are fantasy relevant. The talent is there and he has shown flashes so I remain hopeful.
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    ^re: Johnson trade value vs. 2024 draft.
    It depends on your league settings.

    If the peripherals (FOW, HIT, BLK, PIM) count enough... and it's (No CAP) league... I'm definitely moving Kent Johnson (for 13-16).
    In pure-points, that'll be Johnson's best fantasy league... I'm holding him in "pure points"... he's got better upside in points, for sure, than 13-16 range.
    In D-heavy leagues... so many good D. If there's No-CAP... I want the D. A good D though - say Yakemchuk - will be a $6m D-man eventually.
    Whereas lack of two-way game puts Kent more in $3m-$5m range when he gets to UFA - if he continues like he has been.

    For me, non-cap, multi-cat league:
    Iginla >> Kent Johnson
    Sennecke > Kent Johnson
    Yakemchuk = Kent Johnson (if D-weight is significant, especially if peripherals are good).



    Another reason to hold Kent Johnson in my own-league... it's a cap league.
    Kent Johnson sucks so bad right now that his RFA cap hits are going to be super-low.
    That's good.

    I don't even know what that 10.2c means on his capfriendly status.

    His "highlights" are great.
    His non-highlight playing is AWFUL at this point.
    Like really, really bad overall two-way and off-the-puck game.
    In the NHL - your overall game has to be good-to-great to get the minutes. His isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Nation View Post
    I've got Johnson too and I wouldn't trade him for a pick in the teens in this draft. Maybe 10 or so if a guy I like has fallen (Sennecke, Iginla, Yakemchuk) I understand your concerns and I have them to a lesser degree. I think the best course of action is to just hold onto him and hope for the best. There's a number of guys in the league with Johnson's profile that are fantasy relevant. The talent is there and he has shown flashes so I remain hopeful.
    I think you have to hold him at this point as an owner. You certainly won’t be getting good value for him. I think you stay put and hope he gets that “Dog” as P7 put it. The tools are there but the compete isnt and I don’t think you can teach compete. You either have it or you don’t.

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    ^Yes - this probably sums it up best.
    He's a "hold" for all of us that own him.
    There's going to be very few non-owners that are interested in him after a 16pt (albeit 42gp and no PPTOI) season.


    [For extra context - I'm very fair/honest about which teams I watch a lot. For whatever reason, I watched a lot of CBJ - thought they'd be a good team... players on smaller-market teams are often lesser-known and can be obtained better. I own Marchenko in a league, I looooove Boone Jenner as general NHLer... was considering trading FOR ElvisMerz this year. I probably watched a good 20-25 CBJ games or parts of. Probably one of the more-watched teams for me this past season. And of course I catch almost all highlights for most teams... but watching full games is best info-soak of a guy's all-around game. 10+ disappointing watches of Kent Johnson... you feel it... you really start to feel the disappointment in a player.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    I drafted Kent Johnson in one league, was very excited to get him where I did.
    I have NOT enjoyed watching him in the NHL. I don't see it. I think I'm going to be forced to hang onto him...
    But... he just seems like such a "perimeter" player.
    One of those guys that just doesn't have the muscle to make it in the NHL.

    He HAS to put that muscle on... get a little gritty... a little better moving into the middle of the ice.

    Right now... I'm not a fan.
    He feels like... mmm.... thinking of comparable... he's starting to feel more like a Tyson Jost or Sonny Milano...
    I think he'll stay in the NHL long-term... but he's soft. This is a really, really soft & perimeter player at this point in his (VERY EARLY, yes, I know... very early) career.
    Soft means "winger" - and that's fine - but there's absolutely zero odds of him being a "center" right now - that much is clear.
    [As an opposite-comparable... a guy like Peyton Krebs... stats aren't there... actually way worse than Kent Johnson... but Krebs is a gamer. He'll make it. He'll do the dirty stuff. His scoring will come.]


    I go looking for articles on a weekly level hoping to see "Kent Johnson added 15 lbs of muscle this off-season".
    Or "Kent Johnson gets in scrap at local bar".
    Show me something feisty... we all know the handsy stuff is there.


    Right now... versus this draft... I'd probably trade Kent Johnson for a fringe-pick on the hyped group... so #13-#16 overall in the 2024 class.


    As for "putting on muscle" and moving to "middle of ice".
    That's just motivation/bravery.
    Any hockey player *should* have that... if they don't... bad news. Really bad news.
    NHL is still a man's game... you gotta have dog in you. (I mean... Logan Stankoven and Brayden Point... these guys have "dog".)
    Kent Johnson has zero-"DOG" right now in his game.
    I should have saved the rep for this post lmao! This is great stuff!

    For the record I tend to agree- ive read the same about adding muscle and what not- thats an interesting point about not having that dog in him- lol! I can see that...

    I mean the pure skillet though is really top tier though. That doesn't always mean he'll be a top notch NHLer or even... an NHLer- but its noteworthy too.

    I'm thinking of guys like schremp, osullivan as more old school examples. I think he can hit higher than that but those are legit outcomes.

    Think owners are stuck in a holding pattern...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveatEmptorer View Post
    I'm thinking of guys like schremp, osullivan as more old school examples.
    Oh... yes. (and... "damn it")
    Yup.
    Those are good comparables - IMO. Ugh.

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    Also great links BTW! I'm not sure how to link to X but if you're interested you can type in Corey Sznajder Kent Johnson and theres a lively debate going on there about him.

    Basically hes quoting a piece by Dom Lusz- and he discusses how he does have some stand out areas in his play. Hes actually been extremely good at transitioning through the neutral zone... but then admittedly has faltered once the zone is gained. Its not earth shattering stuff but noteworthy. He is finding ways to apply his skillset towards driving possession which is at least encouraging.

    None of this is a counterpoint- just additional info. IF he can add mass to make his o-zone minutes count for more youd have a pretty dynamic threat. There a few IFs that have to come together but theres at least a bit of awesome sauce here haha!
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    Does nobody subscribe to the 200-game Breakout Threshold?
    PS - I loved how he spanked the AHL competition this year
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    Awesome. Thanks.
    Yeah - for sure Kent Johnson can carry a puck through "space"... which is the neutral zone.
    Guys with beautiful hands - especially stickhandling (Kent - for sure!) - and solid skating are neutral zone dynamos.
    This has real NHL-value and limited fantasy-value... you have to have teammates + system to maintain puck once carried over the blue line.

    Oh man... one thing that stood out to me about CBJ - they got stuffed coming over the O-blueline more than ANY other NHL team I've EVER seen.
    If there's an NHL-stat for that... I'd love to see it to confirm my "eye-test" on that observation.
    Just terrible. Fantilli too. Fantilli was clueless about how/where to go as both a puck-carrier and non-puck-carrier this past year.

    I haven't (yet) checked the stats... but the CBJ PP felt terrible this past year for zone entries & puck-holding.
    Part of it is simply their low-end centers. And their coach for start of year (can't recall his name). More defensive oriented and no "offensive system" in place.
    Even Gaudreau looked terrible. Just no clue - as a TEAM - how to support each other on O-zone entry.

    In support of potential for Kent Johnson (and in fairness, another thread - I still think Gaudreau has game) is that the CBJ centers may be as "low end", offensively, as any set in the NHL.

    Kent Johnson's even-strength linemates last year:
    https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...L&situation=EV
    He was pretty good with Marchenko and Voronkov (who came into center-play quite "out of nowhere" - and did well).

    Minimal time with Boone Jenner... who probably would've been *best* guy... since Jenner is pretty solid two-way center and pretty smart... and does the dirty (corners/walls) stuff that Kent won't (yet) do.


    Also - very minimal time on PP for Kent.
    But he did register fairly adequate shot-volume in his 30min on PP1.
    They just didn't score. Two groups of PP1 units there... 19min... 45 shots towards net... only 2 goals. Math on shooting rate there... for PP1... 2/45... well, not good.
    Marchenko is the really, only, true distance-sniper in that group... and CBJ was a very "perimeter" unit.
    That needs fixing bad.

    There's still some upside there in CBJ.
    I don't see it in Fantilli - I'm not a Fantilli fan AT ALL - great shot, great stickhandling - passing & brain... meh.

    That team is just "all over the place".
    I'm not surprise Laine wants out... no upside... no chemistry there.
    They need an offensive C1 leader badly.

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