Justin Holl's time and performance in Detroit - success or failure?

[2014olympicgold]

I am admittedly a fan who did say Holl could win the Leafs a cup with an OT goal and I would still find something negative about him just because he frustrated me so much.

However, those PK minutes he ate were huge for the team. He is one of the better shot blockers in the league, and he typically played the right side which means he is defending the typical shooter. He also is starting in his end A LOT. Which is why you see him getting scored on a lot. He plays a very niche role and he does that aspect well.

The second he needs to defend in tight, or use his body against someone in front of the net, he is fighting for dear life. Which puts him in "meme worthy" situations for Twitter. The amount of times I've watched a gif of him bumping into his own goalie while scrambling in front of his net was too much to count. He still does this better than 25% of the league, but it's not pretty.

The biggest negative about him is when he has the puck, or he's in the offensive zone. And because he's a fringe 2nd line D but really should be a 3rd line D, his partner isn't typically the most offensive guy. So when he's on the ice, the offense is only going through the forwards.

Positives: Shot Blocker, Eats PK minutes, RHD, Good wingspan, positionally decent
Negatives: 0 Offensive involvement, Brain Farts, Not Creative, potential for long injury stints with his game style and age.
Overall: One Dimensional, but that dimension is becoming more valuable.

[ericdaoust]

He'd probably be solid if he was used as a #6 like a Carson Soucy

[loppantorkel]

Why the attention, poll and questions? Holl seems to be a very divisive player. Yzerman and Detroit overpayed him a bit to be there for 3 years, a period they'll not contend in, but potentially make the playoffs the second or third year. Plenty of people, with good hockey knowledge, criticize the deal, despite the fairly benign circumstances with overall much less pressure for Holl. It shouldn't take all that much to improve the Detroit D. It's just an interesting case study which in my mind will be interesting to follow.

I voted the second option - hold down 2nd or 3rd pairing for at least two seasons, purely based on him being given the contract in the first place and the competition in Detroit. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes worse though and that the critics are correct.

[lucafen4]

Why the attention, poll and questions? Holl seems to be a very divisive player. Yzerman and Detroit overpayed him a bit to be there for 3 years, a period they'll not contend in, but potentially make the playoffs the second or third year. Plenty of people, with good hockey knowledge, criticize the deal, despite the fairly benign circumstances with overall much less pressure for Holl. It shouldn't take all that much to improve the Detroit D. It's just an interesting case study which in my mind will be interesting to follow.

I voted the second option - hold down 2nd or 3rd pairing for at least two seasons, purely based on him being given the contract in the first place and the competition in Detroit. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes worse though and that the critics are correct.

He's divisive because of the team he comes from much more than the player he is.
This is what happens with Leafs UFA's.

[lucafen4]

He'd probably be solid if he was used as a #6 like a Carson Soucy

Sadly... Soucy is more likely to be used as a #3 in Vancouver

[loppantorkel]

Bumping the most interesting question this season. Vote is closing in about two weeks.

[hockeyrobot]

Well this poll was posted before Petry fell in their laps. Last night looked like their actual lineup and Holl didn't dreas
..

Walman-Seider
Chiarot-Petry
Maatta-Gostisbehere

[loppantorkel]

Well this poll was posted before Petry fell in their laps. Last night looked like their actual lineup and Holl didn't dreas
..

Walman-Seider
Chiarot-Petry
Maatta-Gostisbehere

On top of that, I think Edvinsson still is in the race, on the left side, but I'm not sure. The contract is still there though. Perhaps it is a complete failure year one.

[Feenom]

Well this poll was posted before Petry fell in their laps. Last night looked like their actual lineup and Holl didn't dreas
..

Walman-Seider
Chiarot-Petry
Maatta-Gostisbehere

Chiarot still scares me back there. Not a big fan of his or his signing in Detroit… still.

[loppantorkel]

Season nearing its end, and it's pretty evident Holl has struggled to keep himself in the lineup. He's among the team leaders for +/- with 8, but with the Petry signing and Edvinsson up, it's crowded and Holl has been scratched for almost half of the season.

Two more years with Holl and Chiarot, and Maatta and Petry are signed for the upcoming season. These contracts aren't great looking, but Detroit weren't primed for playoff success next season regardless.

[loppantorkel]

Justin Holl staying relevant in Detroit. Third pair and penalty kill, and doing a decent job for what it seems while Detroit is pushing for a play-off spot. Could be worse.

[ericdaoust]

He's so good Detroit ended up paying someone to take Jake Walman's contract

[loppantorkel]

He's so good Detroit ended up paying someone to take Jake Walman's contract

Still odd that Detroit first got him very cheap, and then unloaded him to SJ. I doubt we'll ever know the full story on why. Doesn't change the fact of Holl still playing his part in Detroit and the contract, while not great, isn't a burden.

[hockeyrobot]

Still odd that Detroit first got him very cheap, and then unloaded him to SJ. I doubt we'll ever know the full story on why. Doesn't change the fact of Holl still playing his part in Detroit and the contract, while not great, isn't a burden.

Ya something is up with Walman. Not sure what happened.

Holl is....Holl. Could be much better. Could be worse.

[ericdaoust]

Walman is actually good and you can't have that in Detroit