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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    The team won…only one this bugs is you
    LOL

    The team won because Helly stopped 50 shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross10019 View Post
    LOL

    The team won because Helly stopped 50 shots.
    And if Ehlers played 20 minutes Helly would need to stop 60

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    And if Ehlers played 20 minutes Helly would need to stop 60
    Dude, please, you are the rare bird who is arguing Ehlers deserves his deployment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross10019 View Post
    Dude, please, you are the rare bird who is arguing Ehlers deserves his deployment.
    I’m not saying he doesn’t… I’m saying u get bend out of shape over nothing… if team keeps winning they will keep doing what they doing … and only u will cry about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross10019 View Post
    Dude, please, you are the rare bird who is arguing Ehlers deserves his deployment.
    Ehlers is a great player. I have been a fan of his for a long time, and he deserves more ice time than he is getting. I think this every season, and still his deployment hasn’t gotten better. From a fantasy perspective he is a frustrating own. There are enough managers who like him equally as much, that he should fetch a solid return in a trade. I would recommend waiting for a hot streak and selling the dream to another manager for a nice return. I watch enough Jets games to agree he is a top 3 player on the team, but if coach after coach doesn’t give him a shot, he will only disappoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    I’m not saying he doesn’t… I’m saying u get bend out of shape over nothing… if team keeps winning they will keep doing what they doing … and only u will cry about it
    Fair point - admittedly this whole thread is me crying about his unfair treatment, and as Michael Corleone said “it’s strictly business.” Frustrating to watch as an owner, but what can you do.

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    Ehlers is a great player. I have been a fan of his for a long time, and he deserves more ice time than he is getting. I think this every season, and still his deployment hasn’t gotten better. From a fantasy perspective he is a frustrating own. There are enough managers who like him equally as much, that he should fetch a solid return in a trade. I would recommend waiting for a hot streak and selling the dream to another manager for a nice return. I watch enough Jets games to agree he is a top 3 player on the team, but if coach after coach doesn’t give him a shot, he will only disappoint.
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    Another PP point and better usage yesterday. Hopefully this can continue as I just traded for him a week ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross10019 View Post
    Jets PP anemic for a real stretch now, with Ehlers on the barely used PP2.

    Bowness finally puts Ehlers on PP1 - first opportunity, BOOM, Ehlers feeds Morissey for the PPG blast.

    Let’s see if the sensible deployment lasts.
    What's he like off the ice? There's so much more to deployment than being effective on stat sheets.
    If he's lacking 200ft effort. you get demoted lines/ice time. that's an age old convention in hockey.
    There is always more to it than reading stat sheets.

    This is now the 2nd coach to do this to him. Two coaches with very different coaching styles producing the same approach to one particular player.
    Maybe there's just a problem with Ehlers?
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    Two nice pieces on Ehlers:

    Athletic: https://theathletic.com/4281353/2023...shared_article

    Hohl: https://thefivehohl.substack.com/p/t...x-the-winnipeg

    Meanwhile Ehlers finally heating up with 1G 4A in last 4, despite continued criminally low ice time and PP2 deployment. Perhaps he’s finally getting over his hernia thing.

    PS Lately he’s had a tad better linemates, Namestnikov/Wheeler, still dumb but better than Bowness previous plan to pair him with KEVIN FREAKIN STENLUND. Oy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross10019 View Post
    Two nice pieces on Ehlers:

    Athletic: https://theathletic.com/4281353/2023...shared_article

    Hohl: https://thefivehohl.substack.com/p/t...x-the-winnipeg

    Meanwhile Ehlers finally heating up with 1G 4A in last 4, despite continued criminally low ice time and PP2 deployment. Perhaps he’s finally getting over his hernia thing.

    PS Lately he’s had a tad better linemates, Namestnikov/Wheeler, still dumb but better than Bowness previous plan to pair him with KEVIN FREAKIN STENLUND. Oy...
    “Over the four years that he’s led the Jets in 5v5 scoring, only 12 forwards have scored more relative to ice time (playing all 4 seasons, minimum 1000 minutes).

    Those 12 are MacKinnon, Marner, McDavid, Matthews, Marchand, Panarin, Kucherov, Robertson, Pastrnak, Stone, and Fiala.

    That’s it.”

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    From the FIRECHEVELDAYOFF twitter account:

    “Nikolaj Ehlers this year:

    5 vs 5 Assists per 60 minutes of ice time: 1st in the entire National Hockey League

    5 vs 5 Points per 60 minutes of ice time: 12th

    5 vs 5 Ice Time Per Game: 200th

    5 vs 5 Ice Time Per Game for WPG Jets forwards: 9th”

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    I don't know why, but I've always disliked Ehlers as a fantasy asset. Just don't trust him to consistently produce or stay healthy (the two may be related, I suppose).

    I have no advanced metrics to back that up -- or even standard ones, LOL. Just eyeballs and gut that have told me to steer clear. Guess he's become one of those players that I just have a bias against from a fantasy hockey POV for whatever reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejeanneret View Post
    I don't know why, but I've always disliked Ehlers as a fantasy asset. Just don't trust him to consistently produce or stay healthy (the two may be related, I suppose).

    I have no advanced metrics to back that up -- or even standard ones, LOL. Just eyeballs and gut that have told me to steer clear. Guess he's become one of those players that I just have a bias against from a fantasy hockey POV for whatever reason.
    I get it, and judging from some of the responses in this thread you are not the only one. He seems to be becoming somewhat polarizing.

    But I firmly believe that if he wasn’t so shafted by first Maurice and now Bowness, he wouldn’t be polarizing anymore - because he’d be putting up stellar fantasy numbers (close to Connor, imo). And lots of Jets fans, bloggers and commentators are as stymied as I am at his deployment.

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    So Jets are absolutely reeling.

    After last night, they have gone 12 games in which they have scored 3 goals twice and 5 goals once. Otherwise all below 3 goals output, and they've been shut out three times.

    And last night, with an absolute must win v an easy opponent in the Sharks, they lose 3-0.

    They play Ehlers (checks notes) a total of 13:50, 7th among all forwards, behind such superstars as Namestnikov.

    They play Ehlers 1:53 on the PP, 8th among all skaters.

    He puts up 4 SOG with stellar possession numbers, as usual.

    They lose 3-0.

    They are all idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross10019 View Post
    So Jets are absolutely reeling.


    After last night, they have gone 12 games in which they have scored 3 goals twice and 5 goals once. Otherwise all below 3 goals output, and they've been shut out three times.

    And last night, with an absolute must win v an easy opponent in the Sharks, they lose 3-0.

    They play Ehlers (checks notes) a total of 13:50, 7th among all forwards, behind such superstars as Namestnikov.

    They play Ehlers 1:53 on the PP, 8th among all skaters.

    He puts up 4 SOG with stellar possession numbers, as usual.

    They lose 3-0.

    They are all idiots.

    FREE EHLERS!
    Yikes. That’s criminal. I haven’t watched much of the jets but is he a bad defensive player? Does he lack effort? Why do they not play him as they ought?

    It reminds me of Sprong. Averaging 11 mins a night in around 60 games he’s going to get close to 40 points. He must be awful on defence or put in no effort…

    To clarify I’m not putting Sprong in the same league as Ehlers just comparisons in production vs ice time.

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