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    Is it me or is Ehlers the single most shafted guy in the NHL.

    Arguably the best forward on the Jets (yes, he’s a better player than Connor), yet consistently got the shaft with Shmorice playing Wheeler tons more, including on PP1, despite Wheeler diminishing in effectiveness
    as the years passed.

    Then Bowness comes and, hallelujah, gives Ehler primo time. And he predictably flourished producing at 100+ pt pace d early on.

    But… now for last week or so it’s back to the Shmorice days - no longer on PP1, and getting 14, 15, 16 mins ice time. Last game 14:41. Game v the Hawks 13:11. Meanwhile Wheeler getting 22:29 and 20 same games.

    WTF!!!!

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    And perfect timing, Friday’s Athletic article had this excerpt:

    “The case for Ehlers on the first unit

    Winnipeg scored once on seven power play opportunities against Columbus and didn’t score on any of their three five-on-three attempts. (Connor’s five-on-four goal was scored just as a two-man advantage ended.)

    Instead of taking over the game with the man advantage, Winnipeg exercised its tired old trope of losing the opening faceoff, struggling to establish control in the offensive zone and failing to open up the penalty kill with assertive movement. The Jets’ second unit, with Nikolaj Ehlers leading the zone entry charge, generated the same number of shot attempts as the first unit did — in less than half the ice time.

    By the numbers, Winnipeg has the league’s 16th best power play. That’s an average number which should put some of the grief into context but Winnipeg is held back in some obvious ways. The Jets have the 29th highest faceoff percentage on the power play. Unsurprisingly, going back into their own zone to get the puck hurts the Jets’ shot rates: Winnipeg generates the 23rd most shots per minute of power play time. In a world where every shot was equally dangerous, Winnipeg’s power play would struggle just by spending less time set up and in formation.

    The trade deadline could help the Jets out in the form of a Ryan O’Reilly or a Jonathan Toews but I’d argue that both of those players are second unit power play threats on the Jets. Ideally, you’d like Dubois (50 percent) and Scheifele (43.2 percent) to improve their individual numbers — or get more help from their wingers. Teams should win well over 50 percent of their power play faceoffs — like Adam Lowry (57.5 percent) does on the second unit. Even if you think of each faceoff as a single puck battle in a game with hundreds of them, thus diminishing their importance, faceoffs on special teams lead directly to 15-20 second swings in possession during the game’s most dangerous times.

    If Winnipeg is going to continue to be one of the league’s worst power play faceoff teams, then it had better be great at gaining the zone after losing the initial draw. That’s Ehlers’ forte, even on a team that boasts Scheifele, Connor, Dubois and other speedsters.

    Instead, Ehlers played 2:11 with the man advantage, roughly one-third the time awarded to the top unit. Ehlers is third on the team in terms of points per minute of power play time (trailing Connor and team leader Morrissey) and I think there’s a case for him to take minutes from Wheeler or Dubois — or simply for the second unit to get more of the workload.

    “We’ve got to change some personnel up,” Bowness told reporters in Columbus after Thursday’s game. Asked why Ehlers was 11th in ice time among Jets skaters on Thursday, Bowness referenced special teams.

    “He’s not on the first (power play) unit. They were out there a lot and he doesn’t kill penalties. It’s got nothing to do with injuries. We were trying to get him out there, but there were just too many penalties to get a regular flow of our lines.”

    Ehlers says he’s 100 percent healthy and so does his head coach. I have patience for him to find his game at five-on-five after all the time he missed (although his steal to set up Wheeler’s goal against Seattle shows a high level of effectiveness). He’s been effective enough on the power play to earn more time.”

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    well you sound like disgruntled owner...i agree he isnt getting ice time he deserves but best F on jets? at very least Connor and Schefiele are much better NHL players (not just offence but you can argue that too) and for me i rather have PLD as well as NHL GM and even fantasy GM in anything but pure points only.

    having said all that...Ehlers will get his share i believewhat he does need to figure out first is how to stay on the ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    well you sound like disgruntled owner...i agree he isnt getting ice time he deserves but best F on jets? at very least Connor and Schefiele are much better NHL players (not just offence but you can argue that too) and for me i rather have PLD as well as NHL GM and even fantasy GM in anything but pure points only.

    having said all that...Ehlers will get his share i believewhat he does need to figure out first is how to stay on the ice.
    Definitely disgruntled owner, but with respect you’re wrong - ask diehard Jets fans who is the best forward on the team…

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross10019 View Post
    Definitely disgruntled owner, but with respect you’re wrong - ask diehard Jets fans who is the best forward on the team…
    i dont need to ask, i watch about 50 jets game every year..i make my own assampitons and stats dont lie either...

    if he is healthy for full season time will tell but for now they cant trust him and i dont think you would find many on here who would say he is better than Connor....Schefiele maybe but not Connor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    i dont need to ask, i watch about 50 jets game every year..i make my own assampitons and stats dont lie either...

    if he is healthy for full season time will tell but for now they cant trust him and i dont think you would find many on here who would say he is better than Connor....Schefiele maybe but not Connor...

    Got it, yeah it’s debatable. What isn’t (or shouldn’t be) up for debate is the insanity of Ehlers shitty deployment.

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    again i think its injuries..every time they give him prime role he gets hurt...so this time they decided not to...if he stays on the ice for next 2-3 weeks im sure he will get more time
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    And out again…this why he ain’t used better….
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    And out again…this why he ain’t used better….
    If this logic was actually used, MacKinnon would play 3rd line minutes.

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    There's more to a players game than scoring.
    If he's consistently dumped in a line up - then there's probably reasons for it in the first 100ft of his game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    There's more to a players game than scoring.
    If he's consistently dumped in a line up - then there's probably reasons for it in the first 100ft of his game.
    Perhaps, but it still doesn’t explain or justify his stupid deployment, especially as he’s one of the best zone entry forwards in the NHL and by far best on the Jets.

    Read this:

    https://jetswhiteout.com/2023/02/17/...ikolai-ehlers/

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    Jets PP anemic for a real stretch now, with Ehlers on the barely used PP2.

    Bowness finally puts Ehlers on PP1 - first opportunity, BOOM, Ehlers feeds Morissey for the PPG blast.

    Let’s see if the sensible deployment lasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross10019 View Post
    Jets PP anemic for a real stretch now, with Ehlers on the barely used PP2.

    Bowness finally puts Ehlers on PP1 - first opportunity, BOOM, Ehlers feeds Morissey for the PPG blast.

    Let’s see if the sensible deployment lasts.
    well he got hurt and he is back again today, that is good news
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    well he got hurt and he is back again today, that is good news
    Definitely, good news. Then he puts up the early PP primary apple, and looks great… and finished with 13:33 ice time. Idiots.

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    The team won…only one this bugs is you

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