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    Asking to rank these dudes, just on different teams this year, funny. But who do you think finishes with more points this year in fantasy straight up? 4 for a W, -2 GA, .2 SV. Losses don't count against. Thinking of adding a 3rd goalie and both are on waivers. No minimum starts in this league.
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    Id go Vanecek simply cause I see him playing more games than Samsonov.

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    From my own projections:

    Vanecek: 19W, 109GA, 1155 saves (which would give him 89 points)
    Samsonov: 22W, 94GA, 1021 saves (which would give him 104.2 points)

    Both are in true timeshares with both having a chance to be #1 or be a true backup. In that type of uncertainty, give me the goalie on the better team and that's Samsonov. Not loving either of them, though.

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    Yeah neither are great but for a 3rd goalie option it could be worse. Do you think Sammy is more prone to being true timeshare than Vanecek though? Only say that because Murray is better than Blackwood, so Sammy's leash could be shorter?
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    I think Blackwood is horrible. The situation in Toronto with Samsonov and Murray seems like a split to me. I think Vanecek takes off and runs with the New Jersey goalie job.

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    I guess the big question is do we think NJ has a better team this year to help Viteks cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1320kid View Post
    Yeah neither are great but for a 3rd goalie option it could be worse. Do you think Sammy is more prone to being true timeshare than Vanecek though? Only say that because Murray is better than Blackwood, so Sammy's leash could be shorter?
    I think anyone who tries to project who'll run away with a G job when there's not a surefire #1 (Your Igor, Vas, Demko, Markstrom, Hellebuyck, Saros of the world) is kidding themselves.

    Samsonov could suck, Murray could suck, Vanecek could suck, Blackwood could suck. Or, they could all be good. With that uncertainty, I'm picking the G on the better team.

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    Between Vanecek, Samsonov and inadvertently Murray and Blackwood:

    The lead goalie on the Leafs would be the most valuable. The non-lead goalie on the Devils would be the least valuable.

    If you able to afford the risk, going for upside is the right move. Vanecek may be safer since he probably slightly better than Blackwood but if Samsonov is the lead then he could be a league winner
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    Keeping in mind that goalies are voodoo I’m picking Samsonov. He’ll be the undisputed starter by Thanksgiving.
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    I think samsonov plays 50 games and wins 33 of them… he is my choice by far here… you need to remember that he can win 30 games and have sub .900 sv % just cause team in front of him is just that good… I think they are heading for presidents trophy… and early playoff exit of course
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    Default Re: Vanecek vs Samsonov

    but if Samsonov is the lead then he could be a league winner


    That's what I'm thinking. If he shows well enough on that Toronto team early he could be the waiver pickup of the year goalie wise. But again, Dubas said it's up for the taking right now. I feel like the leash is short since Murray isn't a terrible backup and therefore we could see an Ullmark/Swayman in Boston last year type of scenario all season long. Decisions, decisions..
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    Default Re: Vanecek vs Samsonov

    I prefer Samsonov. With the Leafs, there is far greater upside.

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    Default Re: Vanecek vs Samsonov

    Both have questions marks. So just going based on the better team, Samsonov.
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    Default Re: Vanecek vs Samsonov

    I think both of these guys are the better goalies on their respective teams.

    Murray has a bit more career cachet than the rest, and will get a much longer rope to be a starter. I feel that Murray was brought in to be the starter, and Samsonov a potential tandem guy or starter if he falters.
    Vanecek was brought in to be the starter, and Blackwood is the worst of these 4 goalies; he didn't even lead the Devils in wins last year.

    I view Vanecek as the most likely starter with the most volume. I view Toronto as the better team. You need to figure out if 40-50 starts form Vanecek is better than 30-40 from Samsonov.
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    I view Vanecek as the most likely starter with the most volume. I view Toronto as the better team. You need to figure out if 40-50 starts form Vanecek is better than 30-40 from Samsonov.
    Very well put. I wonder if NJ can take a modest step forward this year as a team helping Vanecek's cause.
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