Stutzle or Seider

[Gramps]

In a keeper pool, points only...

Who would you pick between Stutzle and Seider?

[Leancats]

If this is for the league in your signature, I’m taking Seider.

[tobias]

Another vote for Seider.

There are more Stutzles than there are Seiders in the league.

[random-d]

Seider seems like the easy choice to me in pts only with 4 D. Stutzle needs to unseat Norris before he has optimal value, Seider is the clear #1 at his position on a team that should improve dramatically over the next few seasons.

[berni67]

Seider for now. Maybe in future Stuzle will get to 80-90 pts, but he will have to prove it.

[Belexus75]

i own Stutzle in 3 leagues and in 2 of them i rejected Seider for Stutzle trade...i prefer high end F. Seider looks really good but i dont think he is next Makar.

[Bubba55]

This is a tough choice. We have a 20 year old D man who puts up 50 pts in his rookie year. We also have a 21 year old F who puts up 58 points in only his second year in the league. Both pretty impressive. The Sens summer has improved this team significantly, so, does this help Stutzle or hurt his production a bit. Seider has no competition on the back end in Detroit, but up front, this team, while improved, is still a year or two away IMO. Does this help Seider, can he continually improve, or is 50pts for the next few years more likely than not. The bottom line is that there are a lot of factors at work with both these guys and how that ultimately plays out I don't think anyone knows. I am confident that over the next several years Stutzle will out point Seider. However, is Seiders pt production enough coming from the backend vice a forward position enough to swing this in Seider's favour. I'll go out on a limb, pretty far out on that limb, and say yes, Seiders production from the backend makes him a slightly better own that Stutzle. If I'm dead wrong I wouldn't be at all surprised.

[als_revenge]

Dress 6F and 4D. Stutzle was 85th ranked F for scoring. Seider was 19th for D. While I believe Stutzle has way more upside to increase his scoring pace than Seider, it's still much harder to find a Seider than a Stutzle in this set up. I'm taking the D (unless you think his year was a fluke).

[lusshouse]

Here's what I wrote in April.
It's in French.

But in other words, rookie D who do 50+ pts RARELY ever repeat.

I'd keep Stutzle, or try to trade Seider for a more proven commodity.

--

Moritz Seider est devenu le 10e défenseur (de 1992 à 2022) à marquer 45 points lors de sa saison de 20 ans (ou plus jeune).

Du lot, ce fut la saison la plus productive de leur carrière pour deux d'entre eux : Oleg Tverdovsky et Tyler Myers. On peut en compter un 3e en Zach Werenski, mais il n'a que 24 ans. Il a le temps.

Pour 3 d'entre eux, ils ont réussi à une seule reprise à dépasser la marque qu'ils avaient établis à 20 ans : Doughty (1 fois), Alexei Zhitnik (1 fois), Bryan Berard (1 fois).

Dion Phaneuf a connu 2 autres saisons plus productives à 21 et 22 ans, puis a sombré dans l'oubli (offensif) par la suite.

Scott Niedermyer (7 fois) est l'exception à la règle, ayant connu quelques saisons sous les 45 points, mais finissant sa carrière avec force.

L'autre exception, c'est évidemment Erik Karlsson qui avait tout juste franchi le 45 points à 20 ans. Il a connu 7 saisons supérieures à 45 points par la suite.

Le 10e, c'est Quinn Hughes. Il devrait abbatre sa marque cette année, c'est sa 3e année dans la ligue.

ATTENTION! Je ne dis pas que Tverdovsky (0 fois) ou Doughty (1 fois) n'ont jamais re-franchi le cap des 45 points. Je dis qu'ils n'ont jamais dépassé la marque initiale qu'ils avaient établis.

Plutôt un signe, pour moi, qu'on donne une certaine 'free pass' aux jeunes défenseurs -- peut-être des affrontements contre des trios moins dangeureux, plus de départs en zone offensive, etc. Et donc, ils ont moins d'opportunité par la suite en carrière, et ce, même si le talent offensif y est.

Ma prédiction? Seider peut finir avec 52 points cette année. Mais il ne fera plus jamais 50 points. Il deviendra le solide défenseur complet qu'on attendait, probablement régulièrement dans le coin de 40-50 points. Mais qui aura de plus en plus de missions défensives.

[stevegamer]

I'd trade Seider + Stutzle for an upgrade at forward.

[chorndawg]

I'd take Seider simply because high scoring D men are a lot less frequent than forwards. 40pts as a D might be something like 65 as a F, when you consider replacements. Just my logic.

[zambronies]

Seider

[tweetdrivr]

Stutzle.

[toddycat]

Seider > Caulfield?

[Belexus75]

Seider > Caulfield?

yeah by wide margin

Stutzle
Seider



Caufield

thats about how i have these guys