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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    9 supreme court members, 6 males and 3 females. Pretty sure this was voted 7-2 to make it illegal. I wonder who the 7 were. Then the next thing is how many of the evangelical christian women are just submissive to a male figure in their life (father/husband what have you) and that's why they've pushed this. I went to public school, but my gf and her friends went to Catholic school and they told stories about how the school system essentially brain washed them into thinking abortion was bad. They went to specifically female students and pressured them with one-sided graphic info to join the 'pro-life' club. It was super predatory tactics and specifically went after female students. The Catholic school system difference is a high driver of this stuff in Canada and it's pretty messed up that there is a Catholic school system that's funded by the gov't. Religion has no place in politics and school. It's a private thing and religious schools should be a private system (pretty sure there's jewish school systems that are private). Now I'm ranting and spinning out of control.

    They only care about it between 0-10months of pregnancy, and 18+yrs old when they start working so they can take their money off taxes, and can vote.
    I mean, it's not like there's an abundance of male students getting pregnant lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by saucelife90 View Post
    I mean, it's not like there's an abundance of male students getting pregnant lol
    Regardless of gender, having a person on their side is what they want. But having a female on the side of pro-life makes it seem more creditable. Like the extra effort the teacher who is running the pro-life group would make to get them they said was ridiculous. They would follow up constantly about "are you coming to the meeting?" or "do you have a ride? I can get you there" (which like...is just another thing on it's own lol) vs like 0 follow up towards the male students. They said it was just very odd how they went about it. And one of my GFs friends was into it until she ended up going to uni (i think) and finding out about pro-choice and completely flipped.

    They were saying it felt more like they wanted the female group to validate their choice vs having the group that effects pro-life. If that makes sense.
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    All the right wing judges lied btw saying that it was a precedent and part of constitutional law when being sworn in (when asked if they would do anything to Roe v Wade). So big lies were told to just get in. Then when in power lie again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feenom View Post
    All the right wing judges lied btw saying that it was a precedent and part of constitutional law when being sworn in (when asked if they would do anything to Roe v Wade). So big lies were told to just get in. Then when in power lie again.
    Yes this is a huge part of the problem. First of all, lifelong tenure is a horrible way to run the Supreme Court. Especially when they are so blatant about pushing their own agenda rather than trying to stay unbiased. Members of both sides are guilty of this. The problem with lifelong tenure in the Supreme Court is that if you get enough like-minded individuals in, and they shape the future of law and rights for a generation.

    During the selection process, all 4 of the members who are now seeking to overturn R v W, were asked about it. Literally all 4 of them said that it is precedent and constitutional and that they would not seek to repeal it. Of course, had they been honest about it in the first place, they never would have confirmed. Now that they have lifelong tenure, they can change their tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylant View Post
    Yes this is a huge part of the problem. First of all, lifelong tenure is a horrible way to run the Supreme Court. Especially when they are so blatant about pushing their own agenda rather than trying to stay unbiased. Members of both sides are guilty of this. The problem with lifelong tenure in the Supreme Court is that if you get enough like-minded individuals in, and they shape the future of law and rights for a generation.

    During the selection process, all 4 of the members who are now seeking to overturn R v W, were asked about it. Literally all 4 of them said that it is precedent and constitutional and that they would not seek to repeal it. Of course, had they been honest about it in the first place, they never would have confirmed. Now that they have lifelong tenure, they can change their tune.

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    Absolutely, having a lifelong tenure enables corruption and allows these so called judges of integrity to change opinions/laws according to individual preferences. They should be constantly reminded of what they believed in before being sworn in. The fact that they are not held accountable only strengthens the notion of abolishing tenure.
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    The flip side of the argument is you get long periods of "unjust" laws in place that push the committees narratives. If you're pro-life you're upset that it took 50yrs to reverse this and it took new members to get it done.

    But you also can't be constantly flipping these levels of rulings every 4-ish yrs if there's a period of time members can stay on the committee.

    There's no right system with the Supreme Court of Justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylant View Post
    Yes this is a huge part of the problem. First of all, lifelong tenure is a horrible way to run the Supreme Court. Especially when they are so blatant about pushing their own agenda rather than trying to stay unbiased. Members of both sides are guilty of this. The problem with lifelong tenure in the Supreme Court is that if you get enough like-minded individuals in, and they shape the future of law and rights for a generation.

    During the selection process, all 4 of the members who are now seeking to overturn R v W, were asked about it. Literally all 4 of them said that it is precedent and constitutional and that they would not seek to repeal it. Of course, had they been honest about it in the first place, they never would have confirmed. Now that they have lifelong tenure, they can change their tune.

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    I completely agree.

    And what's absolutely ludicrous about the situation is that the political makeup of the court is often based on when Justices die. How ridiculous is that? And let's not even get into the abhorrent hypocrisy from McConnell concerning replacing Scalia and Ginsberg. What we're seeing now is the result of a flawed system being taken advantage of by morally bankrupt people.
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    Seth Myers is 100% not a middle ground narrator. But his Closer Look on the subject was pretty solid
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    You can’t stop abortion you can only stop safe abortion.

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    There will never be a middle ground when it comes to abortion. Both sides are so unyielding that even discussion is nearly impossible. How many weeks’ gestation, states vs. federal law…. We’d get more agreement discussing Crosby vs. Ovechkin. Stick with hockey, and you’ll live longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    You can’t stop abortion you can only stop safe abortion.
    Exactly this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    You can’t stop abortion you can only stop safe abortion.
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    NPR did a poll in (I think) 2018 saying only 17% of the people polled wanted to have Roe overturned. 17% ...

    41% want Roe either overturned or want to see more restrictions in place. 53% want Roe either kept, or abortion rights expanded. 6% are unsure.

    I would think this debate is pretty close to 50/50 with pro-choice having the edge. But how it's voted 7-2 is just a bad system.


    Ya here's the article on it
    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/25/63226...ade-overturned
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    One interesting tidbit that I learned since this has come out was that Roe v. Wade and subsequent decisions (access to contraceptives and same sex marriage) were based on Right to Privacy! They weren't even based on whether or not restricting abortion is an infringement on human rights like in Canada. Just more of a "mind your business" to states, that's how they had to frame it.

    I know that this decision established precedent but it really struck me as a "soft" decision, coupled with the lack of a Democratic administration to codify access to abortions it seems as though this was inevitable.

    Maybe someone who has a legal background can explain whether or not this is an issue or if the mere fact of the precedent setting decision, regardless of how it was reached, is enough.
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    As I understand it, the Supreme Court found there to be a constitutional right to privacy in an earlier decision. This right isn't stated explicitly in the constitutional document (which is something that conservative justices don't like), but the decision found that the assertion of other rights formed the strong implication that Americans have this constitutional right to privacy. The Roe decision found that the right to terminate a pregnancy falls within that constitutional right.

    One thing that makes this especially frightening is that although the Supreme Court has reversed itself in the past, I don't think it has ever taken away a constitutional right which it previously granted. If that's on the table now, then every constitutional right is seemingly up for grabs if it falls within the two rules Alito bases the decision on: (1) if something was one way for a long period of time, then that is the correct way and (2) if it isn't stated explicitly in the Constitution, it cannot have any constitutional protection. Using Alito's reasoning, gay marriage is out, race-based rulings is back in, etc.

    It seems odd to me that the people championing Roe being overturned, that is, the removal of the Constitutional right to privacy, are effectively saying that they want the government to have the ability to be involved in every aspect of their personal lives. Because without privacy, what couldn't the government do?

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