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    For the league in my signature, how would you rank the following players for next 3 to 5 years?

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    Zegras
    Batherson


    Bennett
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbfl1987 View Post
    Zegras
    Batherson


    Bennett
    This exactly.

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    Bennett's not close. Zeggy up top.
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    Not so fast, with PIM, Hits and +/- categories.
    Bennett will be a monster in those. Plus he will get 60ish points. I see him as the most valuable given the categories but it will be very close.
    My ranking:
    Bennett
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    Batherson
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    Quote Originally Posted by VincentVega View Post
    Not so fast, with PIM, Hits and +/- categories.
    Bennett will be a monster in those. Plus he will get 60ish points. I see him as the most valuable given the categories but it will be very close.
    My ranking:
    Bennett
    Zegras
    Batherson
    Fair point. That definitely makes it closer. I'd still aim for the higher offensive ceiling though. Bennett has some nice balance, it's true.
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    Zegras, then Bath, then Bennett still for me
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    Seems to me that it hinges on how you feel about Bennett's deployment. If he's getting 18 minutes stapled to Huberdeau, then he's a 60+ point guy with awesome peripherals. But of the three guys, he's also the one with by far the highest chance of being a third-liner like he was for most of his career, and then he's Garnett Hathaway. On the other hand, Zegras is a near-certain 18+ minute first-liner, and Batherson also feels like a safer bet, albeit on an unpredictable team. Anyway, I have a hard time not putting Zegras first, and then it's more of a toss-up below him between the other two, depending on how confident you are in Bennett's deployment and whether you feel like you can replace his peripherals elsewhere.
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    Zegras


    Batherson
    Bennett

    for those saying that Bennet is ahead of Zegras in any format, try to trade one for the other and see how long the other GM will laugh at you....not even close
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    Batherson
    Zegras
    Bennett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    Zegras


    Batherson
    Bennett

    for those saying that Bennet is ahead of Zegras in any format, try to trade one for the other and see how long the other GM will laugh at you....not even close
    I didn't think the OP asked about perceived value. I thought he asked about performance given his league's categories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbfl1987 View Post
    Zegras
    Batherson


    Bennett
    Perfect post.

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    I'll reiterate what VincentVega stated, if you take all the OP's scoring cats into account, G,A,PPP,+/-,SOG,PIM,GWG,Hits, this is a whole lot closer than most people seem to think IMO. In fact, based on this years numbers, Bennett leads in Goals, leads in +/-, leads in PIM, and leads in Hits. How this translates 3 years out remains to be seen, but I would suggest that Bennett could very well lead in the cats he is leading in now. Ranking Bennett miles behind the other guys doesn't seem right to me. I'm not saying I'd change the consensus ranking of Zergras, Batherson and Bennett, but I am saying I thing this is much closer when all scoring cats are taken into consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba55 View Post
    I'll reiterate what VincentVega stated, if you take all the OP's scoring cats into account, G,A,PPP,+/-,SOG,PIM,GWG,Hits, this is a whole lot closer than most people seem to think IMO. In fact, based on this years numbers, Bennett leads in Goals, leads in +/-, leads in PIM, and leads in Hits. How this translates 3 years out remains to be seen, but I would suggest that Bennett could very well lead in the cats he is leading in now. Ranking Bennett miles behind the other guys doesn't seem right to me. I'm not saying I'd change the consensus ranking of Zergras, Batherson and Bennett, but I am saying I thing this is much closer when all scoring cats are taken into consideration.

    Very true. I agree this is much closer than most of the other posters on here seem to believe. It has been my experience that most people default to point totals and flashiness before taking all categories into consideration. Often it depends on the type of league those people are in. If they play in a non banger league they often don't weigh things out quite as accurately.

    I know in my points leagues (with banger cats) Bennett is crushing Zegras (6.6 fppg Bennett vs 4.6 fppg Zegras) for instance (Batherson was at 6 fppg before injury).
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    Thanks for all the posts, have repped where possible.

    I was going to offer Bennett for Batherson, will keep you posted.
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