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    Default Is Barzal a buy low target?

    Hello all!

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    Iím looking to renew my old core that couldnít get me the win in the past years. Moved Forsberg for a 1st round pick, then Iíd like to move Reinhart and Teravainen (and getting tired of Konecny and Philly). Iíve been trying few moves, but my guys donít have a nice perceived value. With the likes of Puljujarvi, Jarvis and Newhook, I think Iím going in the right direction and can afford to trade Reinhart and Co.

    Anyway, I know the Barzal owner is open for a trade. So first of, how do you see Barzal in terms of production. The defence first system in NYI tends to kill offensive talent, but someone has to produceÖ right? I see Barzal as a superior player than all of Konecny, Teravainen and Reinhart.

    Iím thinking of offering two of the three mentioned and a low pick for Barzal, a garbage player and a high pick. Thoughts? Out of Teravainen, Reinhart and Konecny, who are the 2 you would trade?
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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    Cap league.?. TT's contract is very nice... If you want Barzal just offer teravainen and go from there. That trade just happened in my league with one the teams giving one round pick upgrade (4th to 3rd)

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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    I would be moving Mantha before Reinhart and Marchessault before TT.

    Barzal is an interesting case, great player in a tight system…see Nashville or STL, lots of good players but no one seems to lead the pack in points…

    I think we could see another 80-85 points season from Barzal but it would be if he gets elsewhere at the end of his current contract…
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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    i was never a huge fan of Barzal, sure he is good player but i feel he is as inconsistent NHL star as you will find. If you can buy him low cool go for it..i just dont think TT is buying Barzal low...it even value trade and i would not do it myself.
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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    So, I love Barzal as a player. But as long as the Isles play these system tactics, I am not sure if he can really reach his true potential in terms of production. He at times has to sacrifice his own offense for the team system. Also, Isles really need to retool with some offensive talent to surround him. Wahlstrom might eventually be a perfect partner for Barzal, but he isn't there yet and still needs to develop.

    But if you are looking towards the future, for a young center who has a relatively high floor and potential for an even higher ceiling, than Barzal is a good bet. I don't think his 85 point rookie season was a fluke. I just think the changes to the team system have effected him and held him back a little. Kind of like I think has happened to Forsberg in Nashville. All though, he really has dropped off this season too.

    But Barzal I think is a good gamble.

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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    I just want to clarify that I agree with everyone here regarding him in NYI... or at least under their current defensive system. I do think if he had the right linemates and a more offensive minded team/coach he'd be that PPG guy again. But I think it's a bit of a gamble banking on that to happen anytime soon :P and I'm not sure I'd actually trade TT straight up for him either in a cap league especially. I just meant I wouldn't be offering MORE than TT if I wanted Barzal :P (since you mentioned you were considering offering two players)

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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    Yeah, especially if Trotz gets fired which looks more and more like a possibility.
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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    He wonít play under Trotz forever so long term he should have a big breakout coming eventually. When that happens is anybody's guess.
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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    I agree that there are likely better days ahead for Barzal, he is a good offensive forward playing in a system that most definitely does not play to his strengths. He is definitely worth pursuing and is a buy low candidate. The problem here is I personally think you are offering too much, you are not buying low with the packages you are considering IMO. I also agree that I'd try and move Marchessault and Mantha vice Reinhart and TT. I'd put an offer on the table but don't start with your best offer, throw something out and see what happens. Again, we are talking buy low and Barzal fits the bill. There is a reason the Barzal owner is considering moving him.
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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    In the meantime, I decided to trade Teravainen and Reinhart for a 1st round (very valuable in our league) and Boeser. I now have 3 1st round for next year.

    Iím in a discussion to get Barzal for a 1st round. So Iíd still have a solid draft and ending up trading TT and Reinhart for Barzal and Boeser.

    Thx for all the replies, really helpful! Iíll play the NYI card to lower the price.
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    Default Re: Is Barzal a buy low target?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luffy D Monkey View Post
    Yeah, especially if Trotz gets fired which looks more and more like a possibility.
    you think if lou parts ways with trotz he's going to hire someone that isnt a defensive minded coach ?

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