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    I'm looking at the following options with my selection. With my roster who would you target? Would you sit on a talent for a year or more? Or look for more immediate help? I lost in the championship last year. The only players taken from the most recent draft are Beniers and Eklund. I feel like my defense has been the weak point of this squad since the begging. So i'm leaning that route. Either the homer pick of York or the homerun swing in Hughes.

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    Philip Tomasino
    Nils Lundkvist
    Cam York
    Owen Power
    Luke Hughes
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    C - Barkov, Stamkos, Point, Couture, Dubois, Dvorak, Strome, Turcotte

    LW - Keller, Landeskog, Marchand, Farabee, Kaprizov, Krebs, Raymond

    RW - Marner, Nylander, Boeser, Konecny, Voracek, Meier, Kravtsov

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    C - S Stamkos, A Barkov, B Point, L Couture, D Strome, C Dvorak, A Turcotte, P Krebs
    LW - B Marchand, G Landeskog, P Luc Dubois, T Konecny, C Keller, J Farabee, L Raymond
    RW - M Marner, B Boeser, T Meier, J Voracek, W Nylander, K Kaprizov, V Kratsov
    D - Z Werenski, I Provorov, S Gostisbehere, A Pietrangelo, R Pulock, N Hague, L Hughes
    G - A Vasilevsky, J Gibson, I Sorokin, K Kahkonen

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    About to be up for my second round selection. Would you guys forfeit the selection? Or grab one of Nils Lundkvist
    or Cam York. At the expense of dropping Kratsov, Voracek or Ghost?
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    C - S Stamkos, A Barkov, B Point, L Couture, D Strome, C Dvorak, A Turcotte, P Krebs
    LW - B Marchand, G Landeskog, P Luc Dubois, T Konecny, C Keller, J Farabee, L Raymond
    RW - M Marner, B Boeser, T Meier, J Voracek, W Nylander, K Kaprizov, V Kratsov
    D - Z Werenski, I Provorov, S Gostisbehere, A Pietrangelo, R Pulock, N Hague, L Hughes
    G - A Vasilevsky, J Gibson, I Sorokin, K Kahkonen

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    First in foremost, there is absolutely no way I would take a D, but especially non elite, yes NON elite young D's like Lundkvist and York. If this were say Hedman or Makar or even Dahlin then I might reconsider.

    As a Ranger fan, I am excited to see Lundkvist arrive, but I am also keenly aware of the insane hype surrounding him compared with his actual talent ceiling. He's a great D prospect, but not elite. Likely not elite offensively or defensively. And York certainly isn't.

    Further, Lundkvist is no guarantee for big minutes and in reality, he's no guarantee to remain with the Rangers long term, which might actually be a positive in his direction. Lundkvist is very similar to Fox in a lot of ways, but probably doesn't have the ultimate ceiling of Fox, which means he will always likely be in his playing shadow. Furthermore, the Rangers have Trouba at RD, whom they are stuck with for like 3 more seasons until his NMC collapses AND they have Braden Schneider up and coming. And Schneider, by all measure, is way, way more important to the Rangers future than Lundkvist. Having Fox, the Rangers don't need another super high offensive RD. What they really need is a shut down, physical D, who can also contribute some offense and that is Schneider to a tee. He also has very good size, which Lundkvist doesn't and while I am not obsessed with size like some, it does help. I am almost certain that Schneider will, eventually in the near future (2-3 seasons), become the Rangers 2RD behind Fox. And depending on Schneider's offensive progress, which has been positive, he could even eventually see some PP2 time probably. He has a great shot, and while his shot and offense are not on Lundkvist's level, they are still suitable for the Rangers needs. Especially when combined with the overall, complete package he brings. Which would then long term only leave Lundkvist with two real options on the Rangers. Either he (or perhaps Schneider, but I think less so) can successfully move to LD OR, if Lundkvist's offense matures to basically match Fox's level, they could use Lundkvist as sort of a PP1 specialist, moving Fox to PP2, and allowing Fox to play more meaningful minutes at even strength, 5x5 and PK. Which could help the team the most because Fox is so damn good at all aspects of the game.

    If Lundkvist ended up at LD, he would still have real challenges and he would be competing with legit high end prospects, who don't have his hype, but might very well have a similar ceiling in Miller and Jones. They don't get near the attention but Jones might be the Rangers highest offensive ceiling LD, while Miller, who still needs a lot of improvement, has a more well rounded game, good offense and defensive potential with size to boot. All though part of his issue right now is he plays kind of soft, not utilizing that size much.

    More importantly, Lundkvist is a great story for like a pick 1.17 or whatever he was, but the hype is greater than his probably potential. Especially in fantasy. Firstly, he's more of a sniper than an all around offensive force like Fox or Makar. Which is nice and could theoretically get him on either PP with another D puck mover, with Lundkvist playing the sniper role. But even if he did do that, even the best Dman goalscorers get like what, 15 goals a season or so? Compared to forwards that's pretty low and that is the BEST case scenario, something Lundkvist is unlikely to see with the Rangers any time soon. And I seriously just don't think his ceiling is as high as some seem to think, offensively.

    It's almost certain that sooner or later the NYR will have to trade two of the following young D prospects, Lundkvist, Miller, Jones and Robertson. Whichever they trade will depend on the return, and Lundkvist would almost certainly bring the greatest return, plausibly an equivalent young center. IMO this would probably be the best case scenario for Lundkvist is it would give him a clearer path to top D pair and full PP1 time, being the main Dman on whatever team might acquire him. But when and if that happens is anyone's guess. If this were the NHL, it'd be a different story, but for fantasy purposes, I am simply not investing that heavily in a very very good, but not elite D prospect. Especially one so blocked for necessary opportunity in every direction atm. If this were say Luke Hughes, Power, Dahlin, Drysedale or Edvinsson, that might be different as these guys do have elite D potential.

    If I am taking any D from that list, it is Luke Hughes. Who I think has a much higher NHL and fantasy upside compared to Lundkvist AND a clearer path towards being THE guy on his team. I might consider Power, but I am just not certain he has the offensive upside. He has the potential to be an elite NHL two way Dman, but not necessarily an extremely high scoring one, as I think Dahlin will still be the Buffalo fantasy Dman to have long term. Dahlin is the closest young D out that that can realistically become anything like Hedman. Power is possibly more of a shut down potential guy.

    LOL. After writing this, I realize the 2nd comment is also yours and it seems you went with Luke Hughes. Fair pick. I honestly was going to suggest taking Tomasino and running as he has the highest fantasy upside of the bunch and will, I think soon enough, be the Preds 1C, with big minutes and huge offensive potential. But Hughes is good.

    With the 2nd pick I might consider Lundkvist, I still am not sure I would consider York. But the only guy I would consider dropping for Lundkvist is Gost. Really, are there any forwards still available? High ceiling forwards. I think that would really be the way to go with this pick and then I would probably drop Gost, but not Kravtsov or Voracek. Kravtsov could realistically end up a better offensive player than Kakko, so there is no way I'm giving up on him now. And Voracek could have a big rebound season. Gost, not so much IMO as they have a ton of good young D who will be pushing for his minutes.

    Tough one. Lundkvist probably will play in the NHL this season, with 3rd pair minutes and probably some PP2, so he would probably be worth taking and dropping Gost, with a look to the long term and the hope he eventually gets traded to a different team who would utilize him as their top Dman and PP1 player. But that could still be 2 years away. I would be much more inclined to take a high ceiling forward here for fantasy purposes. If any are remaining. Someone like, I don't know, Tomasino lol. But depends who else might be available. Guys like Chinakhov, Othmann, Lucius, Neighbors seem to go under the radar.

    PS: This is why I would have gone Tomasino with the first pick. Could have ended up with a very high ceiling forward with a huge future in Tomasino and now in the 2nd, gambled on Lundkvist for Gost. And if nothing else, Lundkvist hype is SO huge, he could probably be traded for more than he's actually worth.
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    C: Crosby, Horvat, , E. Lindholm (RW), Aho, W. Johnston (RW), Bjugstad,
    LW: Marchand, J. Benn, E. Kane, Fiala, Barbashev (C), Schwartz (C), Namestikov (C)
    RW: M. Tkachuk (LW), JT Miller (C), Batherson, Hyman (LW), Frederic (C), Palmieri
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    I would be all over Tomasino to make a bit of an impact this season...at least make the team and help contribute to your roster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Rocket 10 View Post
    I would be all over Tomasino to make a bit of an impact this season...at least make the team and help contribute to your roster.
    Yup. And sky is the limit for him in Nashville. I really think he will be their 1C by 2023-24 season. And finally that team could take off offensively. He's the guy who will help, finally, to unlock Forsberg's potential. With Tolvanen on the opposite side, that line could seriously be one of the best in the league in like 2 years.

    Forsberg - Tomasino - Tolvanen....... just jaw dropping potential NHL and fantasy-wise.
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    LW: Marchand, J. Benn, E. Kane, Fiala, Barbashev (C), Schwartz (C), Namestikov (C)
    RW: M. Tkachuk (LW), JT Miller (C), Batherson, Hyman (LW), Frederic (C), Palmieri
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    Apparently Zac Jones has outplayed Lundqvist in camp/preseason so that’s taken some of the hype away for me.
    I know people are high on York for the future but I don’t know much about him.
    Tomasino I don’t see as having an immediate impact either, just looking at how long it took Tolvanen to arrive. I also hate the situation in Nashville with their terrible coach and middling team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luffy D Monkey View Post
    Apparently Zac Jones has outplayed Lundqvist in camp/preseason so that’s taken some of the hype away for me.
    I know people are high on York for the future but I don’t know much about him.
    Tomasino I don’t see as having an immediate impact either, just looking at how long it took Tolvanen to arrive. I also hate the situation in Nashville with their terrible coach and middling team.
    I actually PREFER Jones to Lundkvist. I know I'm in a small minority on this but, reasons. lol.

    No really, Jones is so underrated. Closest comparison is a LD version of FOX (YES PLEASE).

    He's a natural LD, with huge offensive potential, which the Rangers don't really have. Fox, Lundkvist, Schneider, Trouba all RD.

    HE would look amazing on the PP1 playing with Fox. All though I suspect they would eventually want Jones on the PP2. But either way. He has a legit chance to surpass Miller. If he broke out like Fox, forget it, Rangers are set and Lundkvist can start looking for a new team.

    Plus, I actually do think Jones has just as high a ceiling as Lundkvist. Maybe his chances of reaching it aren't quite as high, but for the value, just wow.

    As far as Tomasino, perhaps. But in this case, they have been so desperate for a true number 1 center for so long. As long as Tomasino can handle the work, I think they would be inclined to give it to him. It really depends on where he is at in his development. But either this year or next, I think he gets his shot.
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    Scoring cats are G, A, +\-, PIM, PPP, SHP, FW, HIT, BLK
    W, GAA, SV%, SHO.
    C: Crosby, Horvat, , E. Lindholm (RW), Aho, W. Johnston (RW), Bjugstad,
    LW: Marchand, J. Benn, E. Kane, Fiala, Barbashev (C), Schwartz (C), Namestikov (C)
    RW: M. Tkachuk (LW), JT Miller (C), Batherson, Hyman (LW), Frederic (C), Palmieri
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    Still waiting for the next pick. Ranger all of those are still available outside of Lucius who is not eligible. I could pair Tomisano with my first round selection of Luke Hughes now. Or grab a different prospect forward? I pulled off the dobber rankings for Tomisano and Denisenko on the original list. As I was more focused on a defenseman originally. Other names still floating.

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    Jarvis
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    Sillinger
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    Foudy
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    Zary
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    C - S Stamkos, A Barkov, B Point, L Couture, D Strome, C Dvorak, A Turcotte, P Krebs
    LW - B Marchand, G Landeskog, P Luc Dubois, T Konecny, C Keller, J Farabee, L Raymond
    RW - M Marner, B Boeser, T Meier, J Voracek, W Nylander, K Kaprizov, V Kratsov
    D - Z Werenski, I Provorov, S Gostisbehere, A Pietrangelo, R Pulock, N Hague, L Hughes
    G - A Vasilevsky, J Gibson, I Sorokin, K Kahkonen

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    Quote Originally Posted by CreamTeam View Post
    Still waiting for the next pick. Ranger all of those are still available outside of Lucius who is not eligible. I could pair Tomisano with my first round selection of Luke Hughes now. Or grab a different prospect forward? I pulled off the dobber rankings for Tomisano and Denisenko on the original list. As I was more focused on a defenseman originally. Other names still floating.

    Hayton
    Tomisano
    Jarvis
    Barre-Boulet
    Pelletier
    Poulin
    Sillinger
    Studnicka
    Foudy
    Bergeron
    Zary
    Holloway
    On that list, Tomasino is the most interesting to me. Jarvis might have a high ceiling, but he's behind a lot of talent in Carolina. Hayton ugh. He's a tough one to predict. Hasn't shown so far which makes him look like a bit of a bust so far, but he was so young and raw, it might just take him longer. To be honest, I would not rule him out, but at the same time, I would need to read up on his progress, what Yotes insiders think etc... before going with him. But his potential is huge.

    I do think Tomasino safer with a very high upside though. McMichael would be another who I thought could be there if Tomasino is. The others I all like a lot but not quite as much. Sillinger more of a ??? to me, but could turn out very good. I like Pelletier a lot, but not on the level of the others I mentioned.

    Cossa could be a great pick if you feel you need a goalie, but i dont think you do that bad.

    Othmann is one to consider in your league with that scoring. But he's much more risk/reward long term. Like 2-4 years away. He's going to be a physical force, a true power forward, it's just his offensive ceiling that is kind of up in the air.

    Assuming no Krebs, Rossi, Perfetti or Newhook from previous drafts? I would probably say all those guys before Toma if possible. But with what you mentioned, definitely like pairing with Tomasino. If I had to rate that group it would be Newhook, Rossi, Perfetti, Tomasino, Krebs I think. I might be undervaluing Krebs though.

    From this years draft, I would just say, Othmann, Beniers, McTavish, Coronato, Guenther, Eklund, Kent Johnson, are probably the only other forwards I would really consider at the level of Tomasino or plausibly Hayton. With Beniers, Eklund, Guenther, Johnson, Othmann, McTavish being the order I would rank them. All though Tomasino probably slots in somewhere after Guenther for me.

    Hayton, damn.... if you have time I would do some investigating into his progress and what people think of how he's looked so far. I have to admit, I have ignored him a bit because he's a Yote and they reached in the draft for him.

    Chinakhov also a guy who seems to be a bit under noticed, but I feel like he can be gotten later.
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    Scoring cats are G, A, +\-, PIM, PPP, SHP, FW, HIT, BLK
    W, GAA, SV%, SHO.
    C: Crosby, Horvat, , E. Lindholm (RW), Aho, W. Johnston (RW), Bjugstad,
    LW: Marchand, J. Benn, E. Kane, Fiala, Barbashev (C), Schwartz (C), Namestikov (C)
    RW: M. Tkachuk (LW), JT Miller (C), Batherson, Hyman (LW), Frederic (C), Palmieri
    D: J. Carlson, Josi, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Seider, Gudas, Ekman-Larsson,
    G: Vasilievkiy, Shesterkin, Husso
    NA: Mukhamadullin (D), I. Rosen (RW), D. .Levi (G)
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    Yeah all those guys from the past draft are owned. I actually have Krebs on my roster. Beniers, Guenther, Eklund, Power and my Hughes have been taken.

    Tomasino, McTavish and Cossa all decent options? I have no issue mother gooseing a player if I really believe in them. I'll be waiting awhile for Hughes. So was leaning toward someone closer. Especially if I cut a NHL regular for them. Even with Ghost's struggles.
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    LW - B Marchand, G Landeskog, P Luc Dubois, T Konecny, C Keller, J Farabee, L Raymond
    RW - M Marner, B Boeser, T Meier, J Voracek, W Nylander, K Kaprizov, V Kratsov
    D - Z Werenski, I Provorov, S Gostisbehere, A Pietrangelo, R Pulock, N Hague, L Hughes
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    I'd take Tomasino. Cossa is a goalie, and a way longer wait than I'd stomach, plus you are pretty well off in net.

    Gostisbehere is likely to do well this season, I feel.
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