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    Default Svechnikov + for Ehlers +

    Looking for some advice. Pool rules and team in Sig. Been offered the following

    I get
    N.Ehlers
    J.Chychrun
    A.Ekblad

    I give
    A.Svechnikov
    M.Necas
    M.Dumba.

    Def get 2 points for a goal .. Which side is everyone taking? Should I do it?
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    Default Re: Svechnikov + for Ehlers +

    It's a hard no from me, I'm sticking with the Svechnikov side.

    Ehlers is a really good player but he's on the 2nd PP and won't crack the top line anytime soon. Arizona is a mess (and always will be) so I doubt Chychrun hits his potential. Ekblad is a really good player but you're strong on D already with Chabot and Fox.
    Svechnikov will be a star, and Necas is a really good player who won't crack the top line anytime soon (see Ehlers). The OGM is hoping for a rebound from Dumba.

    You need your forwards to produce more than your defence and you're trading forwards for defence overall. In a few years your forwards will be great, don't torpedo yourself chasing something you don't need. Pass.
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    Default Re: Svechnikov + for Ehlers +

    I get the idea of improving your defence and adding Ekblad and Chychrun. So I see where this might be an attractive offer. However, I most certainly do not like the cost associated with doing so and to be realistic I don't think either Ekblad or Chychrun are prolific offensive defensemen, and most certainly not when I'm giving up the impressive offensive upside of both Svech and Necas, which BTW Ehlers will be able to off set, not even close IMO. You have a very impressive young team. You have two options here, sit on that team and in a year or two you should be a strong contender. Or, move some of your elite prospects for bonafide elite NHLers. I do not consider Ekblad, Chychrun or Ehlers to be elite. Good, but not elite. In an 8 team league the "talent bar" should be set high and I just don't think what you are giving up and what you are getting in return is where you need to set your sights. I'm passing on this.
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    Default Re: Svechnikov + for Ehlers +

    I think the other guy is trying to dangle two defensemen who had ridiculous shooting percentages in front of you to get you to buy high. Both Chychrun and Ekblad likely had career-high goal totals this past season, both based on shooting percentages above 10%. Statistically speaking, we wouldn't be surprised if their goal totals next year were one-third of what they were this year.

    This is a no, as it is a clear example of one guy trying to sell high, hoping that you'll accept.

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    for me ehlers and svech are close, so accept for me
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    I'd say no. Counter with Necas removed and offer DuBois or some other player instead in his place. Svech and Necas is too steep a price. I do like both Chychrun and Ekblad.
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    Nah, your side is better.
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    Thanks for the advice everyone, I turned that trade down but now the other GM countered with this
    I Get
    S.Crosby
    N.Ehlers
    A.Ekblad

    I Give
    A.Svechnikov
    M.Necas
    M.Dumba.

    What’s the thoughts on this one?
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    Fwds- Rantanen, J.Hughes, Zibanejad, Svechnikov, Debrincat, R.Thomas, B.Tkachuk, P.Dubois, S.Bennett, R.Strome, B.Nelson, C.Keller, A.Lafreniere, JVR, J.Farabee, A.Holtz, J.Toews, K.Yamamoto, K.Kapanen,
    Def - Makar, Fox, Power, Sanderson, Ty Smith, OEL
    Team- NYR,NJ, Cgy

    8 Teams in league

    Points
    Fwds -Def
    Points, ppg,shg,gwg,ppa,sha
    Teams- Wins,otl,so
    Def get 2 points for goals
    Count- 12 fwds , 3Def, 2 Teams drop lowest 9
    Drop 4 each year.

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    I like that one a lot better for you! Depends at this point how high you are on Svech, but I like it.
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    LW - Draisaitl, Fiala, Meier
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    G - Vasilevskiy, Markstrom
    B - Joseph, Schenn, Nyqvist, Roslovic, Duclair, S. Jones, Korpisalo, Quick, Rittich
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    Definite no on the second offer. Waaaay to much youth going out and older players coming in. I don’t think you even win this trade in the first year let alone in 3 years.
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    D: Dahlin, Seider, Matheson, Durzi, Addison, Mintyukov
    G: Hill, Husso

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    You are building a team for the future. Crosby is still Crosby, but, looking at your team, you aren't winning in an 8 team league for a while yet. Keep Svechnikov and Necas. See if he wants Dumba for something, but my guess is that the Dumba/Ekblad part is just thrown in to try to make it look like a balanced trade.

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