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    Just a fun discussion item for the day -
    Will the NHL have a team granted/dedicated/sold-to Quebec City by July 1, 2024?

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    Fun question...

    I voted, yes, Florida. (caveat I want partial credit if it turns out to be Carolina)

    32 is the perfect number of teams for so many reason... 33 seems greedy but would also be a great covid-19 recovery option to collect $500mil in expansion fees.
    Arizona makes the most sense as the team to move... been a disaster forever, on top of an (I believe ongoing) arena problems... but the East/West alignment then becomes a problem. Either Detroit is forced back to the West, which I understand they would fight tooth and nail, or maybe Columbus, which the owners would probably hate as well. Being Easter Conference and in the Western Conference is bad for travel and more importantly TV viewership.

    Florida makes the most sense logistically, the NHL does not need to make any conference moves, and I've always though a part of the plan was to allow Florida to move to another Eastern timezone city. It leaves Tampa on an island, not a huge deal, I could see Columbus and Tampa swapping conferences if Florida is moved... Florida has a better product on the ice and had a nice series against in state rival Tampa but I do not know if that is enough to save a team that has had money problems for a long time...

    Of course the Habs, and maybe Leafs will not love another team to compete with viewers/support for but I'm sure they can be compensated.

    Really I could see all or none of the options happening (or Carolina moving). I have always assumed Bettman gave some sort of soft agreement to Quebec City before building the arena, but only after the league got to 32 to collect the $1B in expansion fees (theory borrowed from Pengwin7 I believe)... As a Canadian hockey fan I would love to see another team in Canada, given Winnipeg's success in a small market I think QC being financially successful is very likely.
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    ^That's my vote too...
    I think FLA's owner is staying quiet. I'm curious when this issue is soon re-raised by hockey media.
    Probably after the shine of the Kraken s1 expires next summer.

    Hockey franchise values have really increased.
    Viola (FLA owner) can rake an enormous profit on a sale and has the attendance and negative cash-flow to reason with NHL/Bettman to sell.
    He also has the out-clause in 2023 with the city of Sunrise on their arena. (It'll be interesting to see how COVID plays into the losses... but I think FLA is so deeply in the negative that it wouldn't matter).
    https://www.si.com/hockey/news/panth...on-from-county

    The conference alignment in the East & the number 32, agreed, are also numbers that suggest this is more likely than expansion.
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    I voted the Florida move option. I've completely bought into Peng's theory at this point.

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    2024 might be a bit early because of the struggle of the last two years because of COVID.

    However I voted for Arizona moving.

    Arizona has had some major gaffs in the last couple years:

    1) GM jumping ship on them
    2) The whole scouting issue this passed year.

    Not having a first round pick this year is not going to help with bringing in new fans/new money.

    So I think this is the team that will move first.

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    I highly highly doubt it. Bettman will try his best not to move the sunbelt teams
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    Quote Originally Posted by kovalchuk17 View Post
    I highly highly doubt it. Bettman will try his best not to move the sunbelt teams
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    I live in QC city and I don't know if it's ever going to happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by kovalchuk17 View Post
    I highly highly doubt it. Bettman will try his best not to move the sunbelt teams
    Agreed. He’s done so much already to keep it there. Expansion takes center stage in 2022. Schedule, drafts and returning to norm post Covid takes us past 2023. If it’s 2024 then something’s gotta be rumbling soon so I vote for nothing.
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    QC have the arena but I feel like they are something of a last resort for the NHL. Although I do remember Winnipeg getting Atlanta seemingly out of nowhere. I would bet against that deadline but I am not ruling it out entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kovalchuk17 View Post
    I highly highly doubt it. Bettman will try his best not to move the sunbelt teams

    Hmmm... not sure why you think this is so true.
    The Atlanta Thrashers were moved to Winnipeg after only about 12 years.
    QC has a stadium, a capacity, and CHL attendance numbers/trending that are better/more viable than Winnipeg.
    https://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attenda...L1970&sid=2020

    Personally, I think soaking the expansion fees and adding two teams in the Western Conference has ALWAYS been desired for NHL balance.
    Now that's done... and given the FLA "out-clause" in 2023... I think Bettman will be a little more open.

    Bettman has traditionally publicly support the existing NHL teams.
    And Bettman is a "say the right thing" kind of guy.
    He's not ever gonna say anything other than "We want to make hockey in _______ work."
    He'll say that right up until the very day of a sale. And then he'll support the new owner.

    I don't believe there's any ill-will towards QC.
    I think Bettman/NHL have always had a master plan of getting the league to 32 teams, 16 in the West... and leaving Detroit in the East.

    Now that all that's buttoned up...
    If Florida owners show years of losses... and have a viable out-clause...
    Why wouldn't the NHL/Bettman allow that sale to Quebec City?

    ^That's the other side of this debate.

    What's better for the NHL:
    a) Keeping a financial loser of a team in Florida... or
    b) Allowing an NHL-ready city/stadium to have a shot... one that is set-up exactly as Winnipeg was...

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    Peng your theory on the whole Florida thing has always made some amount of sense. But they have stable ownership and will sell out their building if the team has turned a corner.

    I think Arizona is the more likely move. Much like Atlanta, it has never not been a problem. Ownership, market, team, etc. Will Florida is the easier move division/conference wise, I think Arizona is the much bigger problem child and is more likely to move. Of course, there is always the darkhorse option of 2 moves, Florida to QC and Arizona to HOU.

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    ottawa owner try to make some pression to move team to quebec but at the end i'm not sure quebec will have a team again in the near future....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Hmmm... not sure why you think this is so true.
    The Atlanta Thrashers were moved to Winnipeg after only about 12 years.
    QC has a stadium, a capacity, and CHL attendance numbers/trending that are better/more viable than Winnipeg.
    https://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attenda...L1970&sid=2020

    Personally, I think soaking the expansion fees and adding two teams in the Western Conference has ALWAYS been desired for NHL balance.
    Now that's done... and given the FLA "out-clause" in 2023... I think Bettman will be a little more open.

    Bettman has traditionally publicly support the existing NHL teams.
    And Bettman is a "say the right thing" kind of guy.
    He's not ever gonna say anything other than "We want to make hockey in _______ work."
    He'll say that right up until the very day of a sale. And then he'll support the new owner.

    I don't believe there's any ill-will towards QC.
    I think Bettman/NHL have always had a master plan of getting the league to 32 teams, 16 in the West... and leaving Detroit in the East.

    Now that all that's buttoned up...
    If Florida owners show years of losses... and have a viable out-clause...
    Why wouldn't the NHL/Bettman allow that sale to Quebec City?

    ^That's the other side of this debate.

    What's better for the NHL:
    a) Keeping a financial loser of a team in Florida... or
    b) Allowing an NHL-ready city/stadium to have a shot... one that is set-up exactly as Winnipeg was...
    We are both correct in this scenario. Bettman both tried his best to keep Atlanta there AND moved them when the situation became untenable/last resort.

    It is certainly possible for Florida. I just dont think we're even close to last resort mode where a team will be moved in the next 3 years.
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