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    We played roto with the same cats this past year (team in sig), and I squeaked out the W. Traded a few mid-round picks for depth, and now I've got some tough keeper decisions.

    FWIW, the following players count as prospects on my roster: Tkachuck, Fox, Shesterkin, Nedeljkovic, Rossi, Merzlikins, other goalies who won't factor in.

    I have to keep at least 3 prospects, though I can keep more.

    Who are your 10 keepers?

    Thanks!

    *Clarification: We can keep a max of two goalies, and if more than three 'prospects' are kept fewer vets can be kept (max 10 keepers).
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    Start 3/3/3/5/2

    C: Kopitar, P. Suter, Carlsson (p), Lundell (p), Norris
    LW: B. Tkachuk, Stutzle (c), Colton (c), Ehlers
    RW: Rantanen, Caufield (lw), Svechnikov (lw), Foegele (lw)
    D: Dahlin, Andersson, Chychrun, Montour, Sanheim, Matheson, Faber (p)
    G: Talbot, Forsberg, Daws (p), Wolf (p, NA)
    IR: Fantilli, Sergachev, Jeannot, Ingram
    NA: Levi

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    Well, the easy part with those prospects being if you can keep more than 3, you keep all of them.

    C: Zibanejad, Kadri, Larkin, Nelson, Rossi, Toews
    LW: B. Tkachuk, Svechnikov (rw), M. Foligno (rw)
    RW: Rantanen, Wilson, Schenn (c), Pavelski (c)
    D: Fox, Theodore, Chychrun, Barrie, Burns
    G: Shesterkin, Nedeljkovic, Markstrom, Merzlikins, Blackwood, Melnichuk, Lagace, Kivlenieks

    So for your 7, I would take Zibanejad, Larkin, Svechnikov, Rantanen, Wilson, Schenn and Theodore. I'd debate on Markstrom over Schenn, or potentially even Barrie, but that depends on who he signs with.

    Tough choices for sure.
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    Thanks turbo. Unfortunately I forgot some key info. I edited the original post, but the key parts I left out are:

    1) max two goalie keepers
    2) if I keep more than 3 prospects, I keep fewer vets (total max 10 keepers)
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    Start 3/3/3/5/2

    C: Kopitar, P. Suter, Carlsson (p), Lundell (p), Norris
    LW: B. Tkachuk, Stutzle (c), Colton (c), Ehlers
    RW: Rantanen, Caufield (lw), Svechnikov (lw), Foegele (lw)
    D: Dahlin, Andersson, Chychrun, Montour, Sanheim, Matheson, Faber (p)
    G: Talbot, Forsberg, Daws (p), Wolf (p, NA)
    IR: Fantilli, Sergachev, Jeannot, Ingram
    NA: Levi

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    Oh wow, ok, good to know about that.... with max 10 keepers total, I guess here is who I'd go with;

    C: Zibanejad, Kadri, Larkin, Nelson, Rossi, Toews
    LW: B. Tkachuk, Svechnikov (rw), M. Foligno (rw)
    RW: Rantanen, Wilson, Schenn (c), Pavelski (c)
    D: Fox, Theodore, Chychrun, Barrie, Burns
    G: Shesterkin, Nedeljkovic, Markstrom, Merzlikins, Blackwood, Melnichuk, Lagace, Kivlenieks


    ​And really, Larkin is a toss up with Barrie depending on who he signs with.
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    C: Crosby, Stuetzle, RNH, Couturier
    LW: Ovechkin, Guentzel, Toffoli, Knies
    RW: Fiala, Perron, DeBrusk, Zuccarello
    D: Seider, Hronek, Pietrangelo, Heiskanen, McAvoy, Chychrun
    Util: Ekholm
    G: Vanecek, Gustavsson, UPL, Lyon, Forsburg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo_Supremo View Post
    Oh wow, ok, good to know about that.... with max 10 keepers total, I guess here is who I'd go with;

    C: Zibanejad, Kadri, Larkin, Nelson, Rossi, Toews
    LW: B. Tkachuk, Svechnikov (rw), M. Foligno (rw)
    RW: Rantanen, Wilson, Schenn (c), Pavelski (c)
    D: Fox, Theodore, Chychrun, Barrie, Burns
    G: Shesterkin, Nedeljkovic, Markstrom, Merzlikins, Blackwood, Melnichuk, Lagace, Kivlenieks


    ​And really, Larkin is a toss up with Barrie depending on who he signs with.
    i like this but im keeping Chychrun over Theodore in your set up....im part of similar league and this past year Chychrun finished 6th and Thodore 10th...

    i also think that we already seen best version of Theodore and we will see this version for next few years....i think Chychrun still has an upside.
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    So it's 10 keepers including "as many as 3" prospects? Do goalie prospects count against your "prospect cap"? Do they count against the goalie cap?

    Or is it really just "Keep 7 main roster, 3 prospects, and no more than 2 goalies"?

    I'm confused!!

    Can you keep 8 vets + 2 prospects?

    I'm going to assume it's keep 7 main roster, 3 prospects, and no more than 2 goalies for now.

    A couple notes on this scoring setup:
    • Goalies a super critical.
    • With a max of 120 players kept, any "prospect" who is not meaningfully contributing to their NHL team should not be kept by you. Ever. Let others make that mistake.
    • With so many scoring categories, "all around players" are your key to the win. Any D that don't hit and block meaningfully aren't keepers.
    • Likewise, you want wingers who get FOW.


    The best 10 players in that list for this scoring setup are Ziba, Tkachuk, Svech, Rantanen, Wilson, Schenn, Fox, Chychrun, Shesty, Ned. Schenn isn't sexy, but FOW from the wing are incredibly valuable. Four of those players are "prospects" so I wonder if you can shop around and improve your team via trade? You've got some very good pieces that should net a nice return, that hopefully you can use to upgrade the 7+3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fantasyhockeygeek View Post
    Can you keep 8 vets + 2 prospects?
    My understanding that it is 10 keepers MAX, with a minimum of 3 being prospects (but you can keep more prospects), and a maximum of 2 goalies total regardless of if they are a prospect or vet.
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    Goalies CAT: W, L, GAA, SV, SV%, SHO
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    C: Crosby, Stuetzle, RNH, Couturier
    LW: Ovechkin, Guentzel, Toffoli, Knies
    RW: Fiala, Perron, DeBrusk, Zuccarello
    D: Seider, Hronek, Pietrangelo, Heiskanen, McAvoy, Chychrun
    Util: Ekholm
    G: Vanecek, Gustavsson, UPL, Lyon, Forsburg
    Blue = Bench / Red = IR
    (Also in 2x 1-yr leagues but they aren't important)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo_Supremo View Post
    My understanding that it is 10 keepers MAX, with a minimum of 3 being prospects (but you can keep more prospects), and a maximum of 2 goalies total regardless of if they are a prospect or vet.
    That's correct.

    10 keepers max, at least three of which must be prospects. Max 2 goalies within those 10 keepers.
    Yahoo 12-team H2H partial keeper league (keep 7 vets + 3 prospects (p = skater <201 gp; goalie < 101gp))

    G,A,P,PIM,+/-,PPP,SOG,FW,hits, blocks, W,GAA,SV%,Saves
    Start 3/3/3/5/2

    C: Kopitar, P. Suter, Carlsson (p), Lundell (p), Norris
    LW: B. Tkachuk, Stutzle (c), Colton (c), Ehlers
    RW: Rantanen, Caufield (lw), Svechnikov (lw), Foegele (lw)
    D: Dahlin, Andersson, Chychrun, Montour, Sanheim, Matheson, Faber (p)
    G: Talbot, Forsberg, Daws (p), Wolf (p, NA)
    IR: Fantilli, Sergachev, Jeannot, Ingram
    NA: Levi

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    Ok, so it's 7+3, no more than 2 goalies... but if you wanted to keep more prospects then the number of vets goes down? That just opens the door for loads of mistakes! I think my edited post above stands.

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    Thanks all.

    I was intending to keep:

    Tkachuck, Svech, Rantanen, Zibs, Chychrun, Schenn (for the FOW from the wing and all around contributions), Fox, Shesty, Ned.

    I'm having trouble deciding between Pavs (again, FOW from the wing but which version do we get??), Theodore (elite sog and points), and Wilson.

    I'm hoping to upgrade as well via trades. There's a team with weak goaltending, and I'm exploring Theodore and Markstrom for Hamilton, or Svech and Markstrom for Kucherov.

    Cheers

    Also: I like Larkin, and he has high-end potential in this set-up. However, I think given the year he had he's pretty redraftable in this league and I can probably get him in the 4th round.
    Yahoo 12-team H2H partial keeper league (keep 7 vets + 3 prospects (p = skater <201 gp; goalie < 101gp))

    G,A,P,PIM,+/-,PPP,SOG,FW,hits, blocks, W,GAA,SV%,Saves
    Start 3/3/3/5/2

    C: Kopitar, P. Suter, Carlsson (p), Lundell (p), Norris
    LW: B. Tkachuk, Stutzle (c), Colton (c), Ehlers
    RW: Rantanen, Caufield (lw), Svechnikov (lw), Foegele (lw)
    D: Dahlin, Andersson, Chychrun, Montour, Sanheim, Matheson, Faber (p)
    G: Talbot, Forsberg, Daws (p), Wolf (p, NA)
    IR: Fantilli, Sergachev, Jeannot, Ingram
    NA: Levi

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    Here are my choices:

    Ziba, Tkachuk, Svech, Rantanen, Wilson, Theodore, Fox, Chychrun, Shesty, Ned

    The third defencemen, Theodore, was a tough choice, but I just see him having more value than any of the forwards that might have been kept over him. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think the likes of Larkin, Schenn and Pavelski will fall further in your draft than Theodore, Fox or Chychrun.
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    Ziba, Tkachuk, Svechnikov, Rantanen, Fox, Shesterkin, Ned are for sure.

    Wilson, Chychrun, Schenn are the other three for me.
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    Wilson in a league that counts hits and PIM should be kept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba55 View Post
    Here are my choices:

    Ziba, Tkachuk, Svech, Rantanen, Wilson, Theodore, Fox, Chychrun, Shesty, Ned

    The third defencemen, Theodore, was a tough choice, but I just see him having more value than any of the forwards that might have been kept over him. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think the likes of Larkin, Schenn and Pavelski will fall further in your draft than Theodore, Fox or Chychrun.
    This is also my list. Keeping Schenn just feels wrong when you have Theodore as an option.
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