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    I don't know what's exactly illegal about the hit besides he hit Evans hard and Evans didn't get up. Wasn't charging, wasn't elbowing, he didn't jump, he didn't target the head.

    I had friends say, "well Scheif was an idiot for the whole 3rd period" and "that's a hit we want out of the game" and I couldn't for the life of me understand what was actually wrong with the hit.

    The penalty was for charging, and it wasn't a charge the way it's typically called. The actual rule for charging is so vague that it allows really any hit to be considered charging.

    Charging shall mean that the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check and opponent in any manner. A "charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.
    Like when is a hit not violent? What's the line when it turns violent? Would a hit that results in injury be the line? I do think Scheif was aiming to hit him when he hit the top of the circles. He accepted the goal, and think the play was a "tone setter" type of play because he is a bit of a dick. I don't agree with the plays that are like this, and I think because he was allowed to run around the whole game being an idiot without any penalty, it allowed his anger to get to this point.

    I think because he got officially a 5min charge, and a 10min game, he'll end up getting a 1-2game suspension and the game misconduct came with like 50s left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcouples View Post
    "Defense Lawyer": Mr Scheifele, did you try to hurt Mr Evans when you hit him?
    Mark Scheifele: I did not. I saw the puck carrier was attempting to put the puck in our net so I tried to separate himfrom the puck.
    "Defense Lawyer": No further questions your honour.

    Appeals Judge: It is clear to me that there was no attempt to injure therefore any suspension must be repealed.
    Imagine this defense for attempted murder.

    "Defense Lawyer": Mr Jones, did you try to kill Mr Smith?
    Mr. Jones: I did not.
    "Defense Lawyer": No further questions your honour.

    It's almost like they wouldn't simply take the word of the person tried for the crime and instead would look at other evidence.

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    Wow. My wife teaches 3rd grade and I’d have to go by her classroom for a visit to find a bigger group of intellectual midgets than is on display in this thread. Well done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    Wow. My wife teaches 3rd grade and I’d have to go by her classroom for a visit to find a bigger group of intellectual midgets than is on display in this thread. Well done.
    The way you've articulated your side of the argument suggests you might be in the class.
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    I know it sounds crazy but hear me out. It is possible for grown men to have a conversation with differencing opinions without reverting to insults. Wild concept but maybe something we can try on these forums. Just once, and see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DusterDave View Post
    I know it sounds crazy but hear me out. It is possible for grown men to have a conversation with differencing opinions without reverting to insults. Wild concept but maybe something we can try on these forums. Just once, and see how it goes.
    We should. We really should be able to do that. Yet here I am lol.

    I'm fine hearing points for and against a lengthy suspension.

    I think it's under 5 games.
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    What is George Parros’ history with suspending Winnipeg Jets players? That is likely what it will come down to.

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    Evans didn't go to the hospital at all last night. He's in fact in a hotel in Winnipeg "Doing fine. Alert. But shaken" according to John Shannon. Just an FYI if people didn't know yet. Which is the good news about the situation.
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    I just don't understand why Scheifele gave Evans the goal just so he could nail him. It was a 1 goal game with lots of time left and he wasn't even thnking about keeping the puck out of the net. Strange.

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    If he plays the puck, there is no goal here. His intention seems pretty clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post

    I think because he got officially a 5min charge, and a 10min game, he'll end up getting a 1-2game suspension and the game misconduct came with like 50s left.
    Penalties at the end of a loss game mean jack shit and it's stupid to even think about. Who cares that he got 5 min and a 10min game when there's only less than 1 min in the game. It. is. irrelevant.
    This is so obvious, the players know it, and needs to be addressed. I hate when this is even an consideration when it had not bearing on the outcome of the game.

    Scheifele would of had better luck going for the puck but instead played the body. Knew exactly what he was doing. Attempt to injure (whether he consciously meant to or not) it happened.

    Give Habs a 15minute powerplay to start next game if you want the penalty to actually have meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invictus View Post
    Penalties at the end of a loss game mean jack shit and it's stupid to even think about. Who cares that he got 5 min and a 10min game when there's only less than 1 min in the game. It. is. irrelevant.
    This is so obvious, the players know it, and needs to be addressed. I hate when this is even an consideration when it had not bearing on the outcome of the game.

    Scheifele would of had better luck going for the puck but instead played the body. Knew exactly what he was doing. Attempt to injure (whether he consciously meant to or not) it happened.

    Give Habs a 15minute powerplay to start next game if you want the penalty to actually have meaning.
    I know it's irrelevant the PIMs in this game. But that's why I said 1-2 games. Because the game misconduct meant nothing in this game. I would have said less games if this play happens at 1min into the game and Scheif had to miss pretty much the whole game1.
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    Friedman reporting that it is not an in-person hearing for Scheifele. So max is five games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfcollins View Post
    Friedman reporting that it is not an in-person hearing for Scheifele. So max is five games.
    So likely its going to be a $5,000 fine, a slap on the wrist, and an opening face-off fight against Weber?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    I know it's irrelevant the PIMs in this game. But that's why I said 1-2 games. Because the game misconduct meant nothing in this game. I would have said less games if this play happens at 1min into the game and Scheif had to miss pretty much the whole game1.
    Ya, DOPS use it a lot too though.

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    4-5 games where I was putting this. Hopefully that's series.

    I just don't like easily preventable incidents, which this was.
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