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    Another bad/dumb penalty by Bennett cost them a goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    Well then I really hope this matchup comes to pass so we can see how good a take it is. Would this beast Matthews be the same one the Beregevin built slow crappy Habs have limited to a goal in 4 games?
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    the one that has maintained a 59.4 goal pace per 82 games over the last two seasons and a likely Hart finalist.
    ... sure we can judge a player him solely by the one goal he's scored in 4 games.

    He does nothing the other 21 minutes he`s on the ice. Hasn't dominated play off the scoreboard.
    Yes the same Matthews.
    Game 6 - Stamkos scores his first goal.
    Following the logic above.

    He's a horrible player
    How is he on TB's 1ST PP?
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    Dude - I never said Matthews was a horrible player. You’re saying that the Avs aren’t ready for him and his “different beast” status. I pointed out that the Habs have been able to limit his offense pretty significantly over 4 games. And their D is nowhere near as skilled or as mobile as that of Colorado.

    I will say, I’m surprised that you’re a Dobber column writer. Usually those putting content out there for this site are not unabashed Leafs fanboys (publicly) nor do they engage in running petty arguments with known forum jerks like me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    Well then I really hope this matchup comes to pass so we can see how good a take it is. Would this beast Matthews be the same one the Beregevin built slow crappy Habs have limited to a goal in 4 games?
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    Dude - I never said Matthews was a horrible player. You’re saying that the Avs aren’t ready for him and his “different beast” status. I pointed out that the Habs have been able to limit his offense pretty significantly over 4 games. And their D is nowhere near as skilled or as mobile as that of Colorado.

    I will say, I’m surprised that you’re a Dobber column writer. Usually those putting content out there for this site are not unabashed Leafs fanboys (publicly) nor do they engage in running petty arguments with known forum jerks like me.
    Actually what I said was you were underestimating the Leafs by suggesting Colorado would make them look like an AHL team. They're two teams made from the same design of skill and speed.

    I was on the forums long before I started writing. I don't think there's any rule against being an unabashed fan of your team.

    My comment on Matthews was that he's a 'different beast' of a player compared to last year. Anyone that has watched him play will note the improvements in his game, especially his aggressiveness and relentless forechecking.

    I've never had issue with you on these forums.
    Never thought of you as a jerk.
    That would be a self-proclamation from my point of view.

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    I would like the TBL to stop being good, and allow other good teams to prosper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    Actually what I said was you were underestimating the Leafs by suggesting Colorado would make them look like an AHL team. They're two teams made from the same design of skill and speed.

    I was on the forums long before I started writing. I don't think there's any rule against being an unabashed fan of your team.

    My comment on Matthews was that he's a 'different beast' of a player compared to last year. Anyone that has watched him play will note the improvements in his game, especially his aggressiveness and relentless forechecking.

    I've never had issue with you on these forums.
    Never thought of you as a jerk.
    That would be a self-proclamation from my point of view.

    Note - Some irony 2 of your 3 keepers are Leafs including Matthews.
    I’m pleased you don’t think of me as a jerk. I’m being serious. I do like to give guys a hard time. And for the record I’m not the one who said Colorado would make Toronto look like and AHL team. I do think Colorado would win a series between to two and it would not be too difficult. But Toronto is a very good NHL team.

    I don’t hate the Leafs. I just don’t want them to win
    - particularly over my Habs (which is close to a foregone conclusion at this point). Both Marner and Matthews (my keepers) are fantastic players and top notch fantasy assets. Again, I was not saying Matthews is a bad player. Just countering your assertion that the Avs would not be able to contain him by pointing out that, thus far, the Habs have. Who knew William Nylander was going to step up? Or Galchenyuk would have a 3 point night? Well they did. The playoffs are crazy and great. Not so much for the Habs fan I am, but wonderful for the even bigger hockey fan I am.
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    I would like the TBL to stop being good, and allow other good teams to prosper.
    Haha well depending on the Division format going forward, this Central division is going to be very hard to come out of in the future. Give Florida Ekblad back and allow Knight to continue his growth...LOOKOUT.

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    Imo Leaf's are still just a wild card team, trending upward, until they prove otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invictus View Post
    Imo Leaf's are still just a wild card team, trending upward, until they prove otherwise.
    Wrong thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    Wrong thread?
    No chiming in to the tweetdrivr lucafen4 debate, that I actually replied to before, but in another thread lol.
    While I don't think COL will exactly make them look like an AHL team, it will look much like Leafs vs Habs series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    I’m pleased you don’t think of me as a jerk. I’m being serious. I do like to give guys a hard time. And for the record I’m not the one who said Colorado would make Toronto look like and AHL team. I do think Colorado would win a series between to two and it would not be too difficult. But Toronto is a very good NHL team.

    I don’t hate the Leafs. I just don’t want them to win
    - particularly over my Habs (which is close to a foregone conclusion at this point). Both Marner and Matthews (my keepers) are fantastic players and top notch fantasy assets. Again, I was not saying Matthews is a bad player. Just countering your assertion that the Avs would not be able to contain him by pointing out that, thus far, the Habs have. Who knew William Nylander was going to step up? Or Galchenyuk would have a 3 point night? Well they did. The playoffs are crazy and great. Not so much for the Habs fan I am, but wonderful for the even bigger hockey fan I am.
    Here's my belief, if the Leafs get out of the North - Wpg is no slouch - Montreal has had 9 games to adjust to Matthews. Prior to the playoffs.
    In previous years, Matthews never initiated contact, he wasn't as aggressive in separating the player from the puck using his body.

    Teams can watch the video all they want, but until you see and feel the speed and power he does it - they won't fully understand.
    I'm not saying AM. is some completely unstoppable force - yet he's not the player Boston played in last years playoffs. he's 10x's more aggressive.
    Him initiating contact? That's almost entirely knew.
    The Athletic ran an article on AM in Dec about his off-season training. Everything changed.

    My biggest complaint on Nylander has always been his refusal to go into the corners and take contact on forechecks. or backcheck below the red-line.
    I probably have 50 posts on just that one complaint.

    He's fabulous at take-ways in the neutral zone.
    He's been incredibly more aggressive in the offensive zone. I think he's realizing
    a. it hurts less to hit than be hit
    b. contact can be fun
    c. it's opening up the ice & creating opportunities he missed before.

    Matthews & Marner have had their chances. Their line has something like 45 shots over 5 games and 70 shot attempts
    Montreal has done a really good job taking away AM's shooting lanes and not letting him get his one-timer off... ever

    If we reverse my Matthews argument (so that my post becomes thread related)
    . I think MacKinnon is mostly the same as last year - really dominant, elite player he was last year - not as much has changed.
    The biggest improvements with Colorado is Makar's progression - he's twice the defenceman he was last year & the addition of Toews.
    How fast they move the puck out of their zone these days is going to be really difficult for any team to counter.

    You just can't create regular sustained pressure against Col. & their D is so mobile it's difficult to get many odd-man rushes.
    So often it's a one-and-done in the Aves zone.

    Personally, a Tor-Col series would be amazing to watch. They're fabric of the same cloth.

    It's kind of funny isn't it, Dubas criticized for wanting to build a really fast, really skilled team where everyone can skate and move the puck, and was a light on truculence
    and then you look at Colorado - and this is what they are.
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    It's interesting because Matthews and McDavid started training together last off-season and I noticed a huge different in McDavid's physical game this year as well. Much more willing to engage the physical contact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    It's interesting because Matthews and McDavid started training together last off-season and I noticed a huge different in McDavid's physical game this year as well. Much more willing to engage the physical contact.
    Both these guys were really on another level with respect to previous seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    It's interesting because Matthews and McDavid started training together last off-season and I noticed a huge different in McDavid's physical game this year as well. Much more willing to engage the physical contact.
    I'm not sure of his off-ice training, nothing was mentioned in the AM article about McDavid there.

    It's been covered by other media outlets outside of the Athletic as well (fantrax as one)

    Where Matthews hired a specialist trainer and went with a laundry list of things he wanted to accomplish/improve on before the start of this current season.
    The trainer asked him which one's he wanted to focus on as it would be next to impossible to hit all those goals and metrics.
    AM's reply, "All of them. I will do everything you tell me to."

    A few days later he gave AM a super-intensive training plan over 12 weeks.
    AM hit every single fitness target or exceeded by week 10.

    He dropped 10lbs.
    Got significantly stronger, upper & lower body on every measured test
    Got significantly faster - on and off ice.
    Got significantly more flexible (this was probably the biggest change - yoga & stretching so that when he took a hit he was more limber and would be able to absorb without taking the same type of injuries (shoulder) as before)
    Increased his hand eye, reaction times, fast twitch muscle response
    more explosive in his first stride

    Wouldn't surprise me if McDavid had the same trainer &/or plan.
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    i have matthews in one league also but i do take the 'best shape of your life' anecdotes with a grain salt still cause im sure there are others out there that tried to make similar changes and have it not work out or they got injured due to something that couldnt have been prevented. i do believe matthews probably did have the best possible team to level up so good on him for that. that being said, for a guy as good as he is there was going to be just regular ascension/improvement as well so we cannot attribute all of it to his fitness/diet changes.

    im just glad he didnt have any long-term effects to covid (at least so far)
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