Makar or Fox

[Chewbert]

Makar hands down for me.

[TheDard]

I like Makar more.

Though having Fox would be fantastic. Either one of these guys would be great to have on your team.

[cr7]

thx all!

[Pengwin7]

Makar for me.
Fox is a good player though, and with TonyD out of the picture, the PP1 is his for foreseeable future.

Healthy year, I think Makar is going to pace for 65-70pts... Fox for 55-65pts.
They'll be top5 D-scorers for next 5 years.

[GretzkysMullet]

Makar for me.
Fox is a good player though, and with TonyD out of the picture, the PP1 is his for foreseeable future.

Healthy year, I think Makar is going to pace for 65-70pts... Fox for 55-65pts.
They'll be top5 D-scorers for next 5 years.

Who are the other three rounding out that list for you?

[Pengwin7]

^Well... I wouldn't say it's a "hard five"... just that I expect these guys to be in the top five.
Quinn Hughes, Hedman, Carlson - and possibly still Josi (if he gets more O-support) are all right there.

Obviously, the same "five" are not going to be the top five year-in and year-out.
But Hughes/Hedman/Carlson are probably right there.

[Barrie too... If he stays long-term with EDM. Just because that PP1 unit is so boss]

[Sidenown]

Makar for me.
Fox is a good player though, and with TonyD out of the picture, the PP1 is his for foreseeable future.

Healthy year, I think Makar is going to pace for 65-70pts... Fox for 55-65pts.
They'll be top5 D-scorers for next 5 years.

Genuinely curious, is there a reason you expect Makar to top out at 70pts when he has been on pace for more than that in both of his two seasons and is still not 23?

[Pengwin7]

Genuinely curious, is there a reason you expect Makar to top out at 70pts when he has been on pace for more than that in both of his two seasons and is still not 23?

I didn't say he would top out at 70pts.
I think he'll have a year or two in the 80s, very similar to Erik Karlsson.
A pace projection with a 5pt range is more of a year-to-year range. He'll be above it some years, below it some years.
Over next 5 years he may do: 72, 68, 83, 66, 60. (Those should average to about high 60s in pts - and I'd say that'll average to the highest scoring D-man in the NHL...)

The cap crunch on good teams, and when the good D has to be paid is REAL.
Usually overall team value declines a bit... and so will the D-man's ability to register assists.

Probably the most common error fantasy hockey people make is to assume that young players will always have production rise.
Not.always.
Makar's already at 24min/gp.
And COL is playing with its best cap roster yet.
Soon they pay Landeskog, and Grubauer, then Makar, and then MacKinnon.
Everytime they allocate $3m more to a player than previous, the quality of the overall team decreases in not being able to pay somebody else.
So the goal-scoring touch of players on-ice with Makar drops.

Point Being:
65-70pt pace is a compliment... and a high-end (top 2 or top 3) D scoring prediction.
It's also reasonable.

[Sidenown]

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I didn't say he would top out at 70pts.
I think he'll have a year or two in the 80s, very similar to Erik Karlsson.
A pace projection with a 5pt range is more of a year-to-year range. He'll be above it some years, below it some years.
Over next 5 years he may do: 72, 68, 83, 66, 60. (Those should average to about high 60s in pts - and I'd say that'll average to the highest scoring D-man in the NHL...)

The cap crunch on good teams, and when the good D has to be paid is REAL.
Usually overall team value declines a bit... and so will the D-man's ability to register assists.

Probably the most common error fantasy hockey people make is to assume that young players will always have production rise.
Not.always.
Makar's already at 24min/gp.
And COL is playing with its best cap roster yet.
Soon they pay Landeskog, and Grubauer, then Makar, and then MacKinnon.
Everytime they allocate $3m more to a player than previous, the quality of the overall team decreases in not being able to pay somebody else.
So the goal-scoring touch of players on-ice with Makar drops.

Point Being:
65-70pt pace is a compliment... and a high-end (top 2 or top 3) D scoring prediction.
It's also reasonable.

Thanks, always appreciate the insight.