Help Me Settle an Office Debate

[chuckcouples]

After a lengthy discussion about this with my wife, we came to the following conclusion.

Mathematically speaking, year 2000 is part of the 1001 to 2000 millennium...BUT that doesn't make any sense from a cultural/social norm perspective. Nobody is going to say that 1970 was actually part of the '60s or that 1990 was part of the 80s.

It's probably just easier to think about it and say that the first millennium AD was only 999 years long! This also works since the whole concept of year 1 AD was created in 525 AD and not widely used until the mid 800s. Also, because year 1 is probably year 6 BC.

[Call of Doughty]

If you turn 21 today, you can celebrate more than just your “champagne birthday.”

Jan. 21 is the 21st day, of the 21st year of the 21st century – maybe.

If you subscribe to the belief that the calendar began with year 1 – then 2001 was the first day of the new century and today marks the 21st day of the 21st year of the 21st century.

If however, you believe the first year was recorded as year 0, then 2,000 years had passed at the end of 1999 and a new century started in 2000 – making 2021 the 22nd year of this century.

Either way, people took to social media Thursday to share their incredulity at the rare alignment of numbers.

The next time a milestone of this kind comes around? January 22, 2122

https://www.vicnews.com/entertainmen...upon-us-maybe/

[stevegamer]

As some others have said. We're in the 21st year of the current millenium.

We are in the 22nd year of the 2000's, but that's not the way years are grouped.

[2014olympicgold]

Your birth yr is different.

I turn 30 tmo, January 29th I'm in my 31st yr.

People's 1st yr is age 0.

[Pengwin7]

OMG, great thread!

For me, the correct answer is that the "new millenium" starts with the first day of the year 2000.
This is simple. And simple solutions, methods, and concepts are good ones.
So, IMO, we are in the 22nd year of the new millenial... on our way to an age counter of 2022.

When you are born, you are not age 1 (in NA), you are age 0.
At the END of your first year, you turn "age 1".
This (important!) is the basis for people's understanding of years.
After your first year, you turn age 1.

So... importantly, the masses decided to celebrate the new millenial on Jan 1, 2000.
After the first year of the millenium, we go to 2001.
And you know what... I'm fine with this... and everybody should be.


Now - the rational for years based on BC/AD is also correct.
But this is also way back in the past when mankind was doing a bunch of stuff that isn't socially or even factually accepted today.
Heck - pretty sure EVERYBODY in the year 0 thought the world was flat.
So... eff that. And it's also a bit religion-based... which we know (sorry to some) doesn't align with scientific research.


It's a bit the same as the TOMATO debate.

Scientifically - a tomato is a fruit (seeds).
Nutritionally and by supreme court - a tomato is classified as a vegetable.
Socially - kids are raised with tomatoes being more a part of a "salad" than as something you eat as a "healthy snack" in the same way as a banana, apple, pear, or orange.
So... by the masses, I think most view tomato as a "vegetable".

The effin masses rule our definitions these days.
So if the effin masses turn age 1 after their first living year...
Then the effin masses shall say that we are currently in the 22nd year of the new millenial, because at the end we'll turn to 2022.

[2014olympicgold]

OMG, great thread!

For me, the correct answer is that the "new millenium" starts with the first day of the year 2000.
This is simple. And simple solutions, methods, and concepts are good ones.
So, IMO, we are in the 22nd year of the new millenial... on our way to an age counter of 2022.

When you are born, you are not age 1 (in NA), you are age 0.
At the END of your first year, you turn "age 1".
This (important!) is the basis for people's understanding of years.
After your first year, you turn age 1.

So... importantly, the masses decided to celebrate the new millenial on Jan 1, 2000.
After the first year of the millenium, we go to 2001.
And you know what... I'm fine with this... and everybody should be.


Now - the rational for years based on BC/AD is also correct.
But this is also way back in the past when mankind was doing a bunch of stuff that isn't socially or even factually accepted today.
Heck - pretty sure EVERYBODY in the year 0 thought the world was flat.
So... eff that. And it's also a bit religion-based... which we know (sorry to some) doesn't align with scientific research.


It's a bit the same as the TOMATO debate.

Scientifically - a tomato is a fruit (seeds).
Nutritionally and by supreme court - a tomato is classified as a vegetable.
Socially - kids are raised with tomatoes being more a part of a "salad" than as something you eat as a "healthy snack" in the same way as a banana, apple, pear, or orange.
So... by the masses, I think most view tomato as a "vegetable".

The effin masses rule our definitions these days.
So if the effin masses turn age 1 after their first living year...
Then the effin masses shall say that we are currently in the 22nd year of the new millenial, because at the end we'll turn to 2022.

Age and Year is different though.

There's not a Year 0, there's an Age 0 though. But I guess that's where the debate starts and that's why life is fun.

[Dennis]

Heck - pretty sure EVERYBODY in the year 0 thought the world was flat.
So... eff that. And it's also a bit religion-based... which we know (sorry to some) doesn't align with scientific research.

Eratosthenes calculated both the circumference of the Earth along with it's axial-tilt with remarkable accuracy in something like 250 BC

[Pengwin7]

Eratosthenes calculated both the circumference of the Earth along with it's axial-tilt with remarkable accuracy in something like 250 BC

LOL.
You show my point, taking the use of the word "everybody" too literally.

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Age and Year is different though.
There's not a Year 0, there's an Age 0 though. But I guess that's where the debate starts and that's why life is fun.

Oh... thanks for that.
I thought they were the same.
Well, back to the drawing board!

[2014olympicgold]

The AD/BC thing is based off the Gregorian calendar.

In the Gregorian Calendar year 2000 the following calendars were in these years:
Bryzantine - 7508
Chinese - 4636
Indian - 1921
Islamic - 1420
Jewish - 5760

So the debate of "at some point there was a year 0" is kinda moot because we are clearly talking about the gregorian calendar if we're talking about "is this yr 22 or 21 of the 21st century" because it would eliminate the other calendars. And then, we can now focus on AD/BC because it's clearly the Gregorian Calendar parameters.

[Dennis]

In all fairness, you said EVERYBODY, not everybody. Also, "pretty sure EVERYBODY in the year 0 thought the world was flat."is just a wholly inaccurate statement. Humans have been navigating seas and oceans for thousands of years and have been well aware the Earth was a sphere for just as long.

[Pengwin7]

In all fairness, you said EVERYBODY, not everybody. Also, "pretty sure EVERYBODY in the year 0 thought the world was flat."is just a wholly inaccurate statement. Humans have been navigating seas and oceans for thousands of years and have been well aware the Earth was a sphere for just as long.

I'm pointing to semantics on a term everybody.
His name was Henry but everyone called him Harry.
But... but... that's WHOLLY INACCURATE... 'cause this one guy... actually a few guys... they don't like calling him Harry... I know that for a FACT!
So... not EVERYBODY calls him Harry!

(You know who that sounds like... my 7-year old...)

[hockeyrobot]

OMG, great thread!

For me, the correct answer is that the "new millenium" starts with the first day of the year 2000.
This is simple. And simple solutions, methods, and concepts are good ones.
So, IMO, we are in the 22nd year of the new millenial... on our way to an age counter of 2022.

When you are born, you are not age 1 (in NA), you are age 0.
At the END of your first year, you turn "age 1".
This (important!) is the basis for people's understanding of years.
After your first year, you turn age 1.

So... importantly, the masses decided to celebrate the new millenial on Jan 1, 2000.
After the first year of the millenium, we go to 2001.
And you know what... I'm fine with this... and everybody should be.


Now - the rational for years based on BC/AD is also correct.
But this is also way back in the past when mankind was doing a bunch of stuff that isn't socially or even factually accepted today.
Heck - pretty sure EVERYBODY in the year 0 thought the world was flat.
So... eff that. And it's also a bit religion-based... which we know (sorry to some) doesn't align with scientific research.


It's a bit the same as the TOMATO debate.

Scientifically - a tomato is a fruit (seeds).
Nutritionally and by supreme court - a tomato is classified as a vegetable.
Socially - kids are raised with tomatoes being more a part of a "salad" than as something you eat as a "healthy snack" in the same way as a banana, apple, pear, or orange.
So... by the masses, I think most view tomato as a "vegetable".

The effin masses rule our definitions these days.
So if the effin masses turn age 1 after their first living year...
Then the effin masses shall say that we are currently in the 22nd year of the new millenial, because at the end we'll turn to 2022.

This post might be the greatest thing ever posted on here.

[Pengwin7]

Haha...
The greater issue is that we, collectively, haven't done the "Freak Out Over ThisGuy's HotStart and ThatGuy's SlowStart" thread yet.
PenguinHunter just opened the door for us getting our panties all bunched over something not worth it.

Now... maybe it's out of our system...
Or maybe we still need the Early Season Freak-Out Thread...

[legodash]

Yah, it's 21st.

[The Guvnah]

Since 2020 felt like it lasted about 12 years, I'm not sure it matters.