Dubois rumblings from LeBrun

[tweetdrivr]

cb gm made a fantastic sale pitch to receive that much pretty happy that they don't send him to montreal

Yes I think Winnipeg got fleeced. And @NordiqueFan I totally agree. I’m proud of Bergevin for not messing with the ball of joy that is watching the Habs play this year. I would have been beyond pissed if he had given up KK or Suzuki for PL DuBitch.

[rataylor22]

And adding a 3rd round pick is insulting. Out of the (same) 2016 draft, of 30 third-round picks, one - Adam Fox - is currently an NHL player.

I’m not quite sure how Roslovic for a 3rd is insulting.

Horrible trade. We all knew it was coming but just horrible for Winnipeg.

Again. I’d be interested as to why. Most projecting models have Dubois as a far more valuable player.

[SeaDawg]

I don't see how this is a bad deal for Winnipeg. I've never been all that impressed with Laine and feel he is an overrated player. He's a really good goal scorer, but that's it. I feel that a second line center like Dubois has much more value.

I also feel that from a team's need perspective, Columbus is screwed now without a top line center. I know it would have been hard to acquire one back in any trade, considering PLD wanted out and teams would not have easily offered up a comparable center for him.

[tweetdrivr]

I don't see how this is a bad deal for Winnipeg. I've never been all that impressed with Laine and feel he is an overrated player. He's a really good goal scorer, but that's it. I feel that a second line center like Dubois has much more value.

I also feel that from a team's need perspective, Columbus is screwed now without a top line center. I know it would have been hard to acquire one back in any trade, considering PLD wanted out and teams would not have easily offered up a comparable center for him.

Max Domi is the number 1 center!

And you usually win hockey games by scoring more goals then the other team. So Laine seems to help there. He’s averaged 38 goals per 82 games so far. And he’s 22. He’s nowhere near overrated.

[Axeman33]

Max Domi is the number 1 center!

And you usually win hockey games by scoring more goals then the other team. So Laine seems to help there. He’s averaged 38 goals per 82 games so far. And he’s 22. He’s nowhere near overrated.

If Domi wasn't before the trade (and I don't think he was), he is now.

And yes, you win by scoring but you also win by keeping it out if your net; something Laine doesn't offer much help in doing. He helps a lot of fantasy teams but doesn't help his real NHL team nearly enough due to his weak defensive play.

[SeaDawg]

Max Domi is the number 1 center!

And you usually win hockey games by scoring more goals then the other team. So Laine seems to help there. He’s averaged 38 goals per 82 games so far. And he’s 22. He’s nowhere near overrated.

If Domi is your number one center, then you are in trouble.

And I know I'm in the minority, but my opinion is that Laine is overrated. Yes, he is an awesome goal scorer but he brings nothing else to the team and if your team is relying on Laine to be one of your best players, your team is going to struggle to win hockey games.

[rataylor22]

If Domi wasn't before the trade (and I don't think he was), he is now.

And yes, you win by scoring but you also win by keeping it out if your net; something Laine doesn't offer much help in doing. He helps a lot of fantasy teams but doesn't help his real NHL team nearly enough due to his weak defensive play.

You could just as easily say this about Dubois

[Axeman33]

You could just as easily say this about Dubois

I'll take Dubois' D game over Laines any day.

[rataylor22]

I'll take Dubois' D game over Laines any day.

From the eye test? There aren’t really any metrics that bear that out.

[Axeman33]

From the eye test? There aren’t really any metrics that bear that out.

Actually, there is.

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/sta...217233924?s=19

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/sta...756969480?s=19

Dubois isn't a defensive specialist but compared to Laine, he looks good.

[hockeymanG23]

Actually, there is.

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/sta...217233924?s=19

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/sta...756969480?s=19

Was just about to link these from Canucks13 in the other trade thread as well. Dubois doesn't grade out well defensively, but Laine is always ranks near the bottom of the league in any analysis I've ever seen.

These graphs are from Luszczyszyn. Dubois ratę decently in this one but with Laine its the same story.

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[rataylor22]

Actually, there is.

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/sta...217233924?s=19

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/sta...756969480?s=19

Dubois isn't a defensive specialist but compared to Laine, he looks good.

My point is the difference between 3% and 25% is you both suck defensively and it’s not an aspect of either’s game worth talking about.

[SeaDawg]

I wouldn't say that Dubois is a defensive juggernaut, obviously, but I confidently say that Winnipeg is a better team now with Dubois than they were with Laine. As much as Laine is an elite goal scorer, he brings nothing else to the team. PLD will be much more valuable for the Jets. The Jets have lots of really good goal scorers. What they have been missing for a long time is a second line center.

Columbus got themselves an elite goal-scorer, but they will struggle without a top line center. Laine will not make Columbus a better team. He will make their power play more dangerous, but that's about it. He will not drive the play nor make his line-mates better players. In Columbus, I don't think Laine gets more than 35 goals, 20 assists. I also think that with a salary of $8+ million starting next year, Laine will be overpaid for what he offers.

[Axeman33]

My point is the difference between 3% and 25% is you both suck defensively and it’s not an aspect of either’s game worth talking about.

My point is Dubois is better defensively.

[tweetdrivr]

22% better apparently.