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    Hi gents,

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    Tough choice for my final keeper spot - have to drop one of Evan Bouchard or Gregori Denisenko. I am strong at both positions, so just looking at pure upside and potential for this year/beyond.
    It is a salary cap league with both are on entry contracts, so salary is not a factor.

    League scoring categories are simple - 1 point for both goals and assists plus wins (2) and shutouts (3) for goalies.

    I see Bouchard as having huge potential on Edm PP - but Barrie blocks him there for this year I think. Denisenko should slide into a top 6 spot for Florida, but there are no guarantees. Dobber prospects rates Bouchard as having 8.2 upside and Denisenko as 8.5 - not sure if positions are taken into account or not with these.

    Bouchard may have the bigger name recognition, and therefore be harder to reacquire in the draft or via trade, but I am not sure on that one.

    Regardless, I see each as having a bright future and considerable upside - with neither salary nor position as factors, which of the two makes the better keeper for my squad, and which should be dropped?
    Any input/help appreciated!
    H2H weekly matchup limited 24 team KEEPER Salary Cap league, goals, assists, wins, SO
    Start 3 LW, 3 C, 3 RW, 6 D, 1 G
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    LW N Ehlers, B Tkachuk,LW G Denisenko
    C R Fabbri, F Chytil, J Thornton
    RW T Meier, O Bjorkstrand, F Zadina,
    D C Makar, R Dahlin, Z Werenski, A Fox, J Mahura, Evan Bouchard
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    Default Re: Final Keeper - G Denisenko or E Bouchard?

    be much easier if you did update your sig or give us more info on your scoring system, roster ect.

    without knowing any of this, i think Fs have higher % rate of success so would go with Denisenko. Both are highly regarded prospects.
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    C: Eichel, Kadri, Mcdavid, Sodeberg, Schenn
    LW: Ehlers, Landeskog, Meier, Debrusk, Foegele, Lee
    RW: Pastrnak, Marner, Palmieri, Terry, D. Brown, Bailey, Granlund
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    Second the comment on updating your roster.

    neither player has made their respective NHL teams yet. I'd much rather keep a player guaranteed to play
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    Default Re: Final Keeper - G Denisenko or E Bouchard?

    I'm curious why is it down to those two? What are the other options that is forcing your hand here.
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    Default Re: Final Keeper - G Denisenko or E Bouchard?

    If we're considering only whether Denisenko or Bouchard is likely the better keeper, I'd go with Bouchard.

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    Default Re: Final Keeper - G Denisenko or E Bouchard?

    OK - tough crowd.
    Signature has been updated, and the scoring system was in fact included in the original post.
    I ask again - Bouchard or Denisenko?
    H2H weekly matchup limited 24 team KEEPER Salary Cap league, goals, assists, wins, SO
    Start 3 LW, 3 C, 3 RW, 6 D, 1 G
    Protect 11 players from 23 man roster each year (projected keepers in bold)

    LW N Ehlers, B Tkachuk,LW G Denisenko
    C R Fabbri, F Chytil, J Thornton
    RW T Meier, O Bjorkstrand, F Zadina,
    D C Makar, R Dahlin, Z Werenski, A Fox, J Mahura, Evan Bouchard
    G I Samsonov,

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    6D vs. 12F in a 24tm keeper - Bouchard
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    Default Re: Final Keeper - G Denisenko or E Bouchard?

    Were I you I'd swing for the fences and keep Bouchard but to be honest if you're having a hard time deciding, just flip a coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    6D vs. 12F in a 24tm keeper - Bouchard
    i agree with this...

    and its not about trying to give you tough time but giving you a right answer...
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    Skaters: G/A/Pt/PIM/SoG/STP/H+B/ToI/Corsi
    Goalies: W/GAA/SVs/SV%/SHO

    C: Eichel, Kadri, Mcdavid, Sodeberg, Schenn
    LW: Ehlers, Landeskog, Meier, Debrusk, Foegele, Lee
    RW: Pastrnak, Marner, Palmieri, Terry, D. Brown, Bailey, Granlund
    D: Krug, Josi, Ekholm, Faulk, Muzzin, Karlsson, Cernak,
    G: Hellebuyck, Biship, M Jones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belexus75 View Post
    i agree with this...

    and its not about trying to give you tough time but giving you a right answer...
    Zactly right. sometimes league settings doesn't matter.

    Here though, seeing full roster the depth of D vs F made this a homerun for Bouchard ...
    Fabbri the other worthy of consideration with Denisenko.
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    Default Re: Final Keeper - G Denisenko or E Bouchard?

    Based on your roster/league settings, and presuming there's roughly a 2:1 ratio of F/D (23 player roster, 16 starters, 7 bench?), personally I think they're pretty evenly matched in regards to upside. Just running a quick exercise based on those settings, and assuming everyone keeps a similar ratio of positions (they obviously won't, just a quick and dirty), then their points-above-replacement is almost identical for their upside, and Denisenko will produce faster. Would need to adjust for real world keepers/draft pool, and most poolies arguable covet D.

    The other thing to keep in mind with Denisenko is he's a right shooting LW, so a pretty solid candidate for dual eligibility if your league allows for that.

    If the ratio of F/D is actually 9/6 though (as your starters indicate), then I'm keeping Bouchard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colts View Post
    OK - tough crowd.
    Signature has been updated, and the scoring system was in fact included in the original post.
    I ask again - Bouchard or Denisenko?
    Thanks. That certainly helps clarify things to offer a better answer.

    Bouchard would be my keeper but keep in mind, I wont be surprised if Denisenko is producing at the NHL before Bouchard. This advice is looking long term, not short term.
    10 Team, Points Only, Cash League

    25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
    Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
    Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt

    Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink

    G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger


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