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    So we all knew he had to make a move pre- Gusrtaafson signing now it HAS to be imminent right? Is there a serious threat of him not signing with a team at all?? I mean his contract is good enough to warrant a spot as a pp specialist somewhere isnt it?? NJ makes so much sense to me. My question really though is if theres a chance hes already done??

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    I think you have to hold here until something happens. I can see a NJ or Detroit like team taking Ghost for nothing. Philly may even have to eat some money and I assume the lack of return is what is holding this up. Hopefully he gets moved but its not a guarantee, nor is it a guarantee he bounces back if given a fresh start...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting_Emu View Post
    So we all knew he had to make a move pre- Gusrtaafson signing now it HAS to be imminent right? Is there a serious threat of him not signing with a team at all?? I mean his contract is good enough to warrant a spot as a pp specialist somewhere isnt it?? NJ makes so much sense to me. My question really though is if theres a chance hes already done??
    I have no clue what the bolded means. He's under contract, and currently on the Flyers, unless I've missed some news that hasn't hit any of my usual sources in the last 5 minutes, including the Flyers website.

    I think there's zero chance he's done.

    I am pretty sure that once he gets dealt, I'll be able to pick up something with his number on it cheap.
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    He'll definitely get another shot. Hopefully its not with the Flyers. He drives me up the wall.... so frustrating. He has some skill that can be useful in other situations. On the Flyers, very limited value. Elsewhere? Who knows. I'd hold on to him. You cant get anything in a trade and he's a fairly good bet if he lands in a good situation. Hope he moves on, so I can stop yelling at the tv.

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    AV clearly has him firmly in the doghouse and that's unlikely to change from here on out. Ghost has no hope barring a coaching change (not happening any time soon) or a team change (maybe, but to where?)
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    At first, the Gustafsson signing really confused me, but then I was reading more about the decision and, in particular, Fletcher's explanation for bringing in Gustafsson, and I firmly believe that they did so because the team no longer trusts Gostisbehere to run the power play and they don't want to continue using Provorov in that spot. With Niskanen leaving, the team needs Provorov more than ever to be the top dman on this team and he can't necessarily take on more minutes without giving up his PP time. I think they brought in Gustafsson to relieve Provorov, and they will eventually move Gostisbehere, if they get an offer they like.

    Despite what a lot of people are suggesting/hoping, I don't think a Gostisbehere trade is imminent. I think unless the team gets an offer they like, they will just hang onto Gostisbehere and he will alternate between being a healthy scratch and a bottom-pairing player with a spot on the secondary power play unit. It seems a bit silly to pay Gostisbehere's salary to have him scratched for 20 games, but he is a insurance if something happens with Gustafsson, and the Flyers are not in cap trouble so they can afford to hang on to him.

    I do believe eventually Gostisbehere will be traded, but it won't be until a team offers something reasonable in return.
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    I don't agree about the part where PHI won't use Provorov in the PP1 unit.
    Let Sanheim(L)-Myers(R) roll the 2nd half (PP2).
    I think Provorov was just fine there on PP1... play 1min to 1:10... get off... rest, and be the 1st ES pairing out on the ice after PP2.
    Provorov = Hedman. He'll eat big minutes AND play PP1. He doesn't need a downgrade in role.

    Personally, I think PHI just saw Gustafsson at $3m/1yr as a good deal/risk.
    It now allows them to move Ghost at any time that is convenient.

    Gustafsson is a UFA after this year... and I don't really think it's good for long-term team outlook to displace Provorov from PP1 if he might be needed to return their a year from now.


    As for Gost... he's Shattenkirk v0.9 (i.e. not even as good as Shattenkirk).
    STL gave Shatty a chance to run PP1... but ultimately, the team was better without him - and he's really been bouncing from team-to-team ever since!
    Shatty - and Ghost is the same - is simply better as a 3rd pairing D-man providing some spot offense here & there from that 3rd pairing.
    Gost better save his money from this contract... because he's gonna get 3rd pairing dollars on his next.

    I'm a Flyers fan... and I've pretty much always hated the incompleteness of Ghost's game.
    I'm not sure there's a NHL GM that is really interested in a one-trick pony like Ghost.
    He's gonna be a hard move for PHI... and I actually think they'll need to ADD a sweetener (4th, 5th round pick) to move him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    I don't agree about the part where PHI won't use Provorov in the PP1 unit.
    Let Sanheim(L)-Myers(R) roll the 2nd half (PP2).
    I think Provorov was just fine there on PP1... play 1min to 1:10... get off... rest, and be the 1st ES pairing out on the ice after PP2.
    Provorov = Hedman. He'll eat big minutes AND play PP1. He doesn't need a downgrade in role.

    Personally, I think PHI just saw Gustafsson at $3m/1yr as a good deal/risk.
    It now allows them to move Ghost at any time that is convenient.

    Gustafsson is a UFA after this year... and I don't really think it's good for long-term team outlook to displace Provorov from PP1 if he might be needed to return their a year from now.


    As for Gost... he's Shattenkirk v0.9 (i.e. not even as good as Shattenkirk).
    STL gave Shatty a chance to run PP1... but ultimately, the team was better without him - and he's really been bouncing from team-to-team ever since!
    Shatty - and Ghost is the same - is simply better as a 3rd pairing D-man providing some spot offense here & there from that 3rd pairing.
    Gost better save his money from this contract... because he's gonna get 3rd pairing dollars on his next.

    I'm a Flyers fan... and I've pretty much always hated the incompleteness of Ghost's game.
    I'm not sure there's a NHL GM that is really interested in a one-trick pony like Ghost.
    He's gonna be a hard move for PHI... and I actually think they'll need to ADD a sweetener (4th, 5th round pick) to move him.
    We'll see, Peng. I stand by my prediction that Gustafsson will at least start the season as the main PP dman. If he falters, which is entirely possible, then Provorov will be back in that role.

    I see Provorov taking on a few more minutes at ES with Niskanen leaving, and the best way to do that without overloading Provorov is by taking away some of his PP minutes. Time will tell.
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    I disagree. PP play doesn't tire a defenseman.
    It's not like any NHL defenseman is gonna say "Well, I was tired from playing so many PP minutes and it cost me at 5-on-5".
    Nope. Nopity nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    I disagree. PP play doesn't tire a defenseman.
    It's not like any NHL defenseman is gonna say "Well, I was tired from playing so many PP minutes and it cost me at 5-on-5".
    Nope. Nopity nope.
    I'm sure the dmen won't say that, but the coaches probably feel differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    I don't agree about the part where PHI won't use Provorov in the PP1 unit.
    Let Sanheim(L)-Myers(R) roll the 2nd half (PP2).
    I think Provorov was just fine there on PP1... play 1min to 1:10... get off... rest, and be the 1st ES pairing out on the ice after PP2.
    Provorov = Hedman. He'll eat big minutes AND play PP1. He doesn't need a downgrade in role.

    Personally, I think PHI just saw Gustafsson at $3m/1yr as a good deal/risk.
    It now allows them to move Ghost at any time that is convenient.

    Gustafsson is a UFA after this year... and I don't really think it's good for long-term team outlook to displace Provorov from PP1 if he might be needed to return their a year from now.


    As for Gost... he's Shattenkirk v0.9 (i.e. not even as good as Shattenkirk).
    STL gave Shatty a chance to run PP1... but ultimately, the team was better without him - and he's really been bouncing from team-to-team ever since!
    Shatty - and Ghost is the same - is simply better as a 3rd pairing D-man providing some spot offense here & there from that 3rd pairing.
    Gost better save his money from this contract... because he's gonna get 3rd pairing dollars on his next.

    I'm a Flyers fan... and I've pretty much always hated the incompleteness of Ghost's game.
    I'm not sure there's a NHL GM that is really interested in a one-trick pony like Ghost.
    He's gonna be a hard move for PHI... and I actually think they'll need to ADD a sweetener (4th, 5th round pick) to move him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    I don't agree about the part where PHI won't use Provorov in the PP1 unit.
    Let Sanheim(L)-Myers(R) roll the 2nd half (PP2).
    I think Provorov was just fine there on PP1... play 1min to 1:10... get off... rest, and be the 1st ES pairing out on the ice after PP2.
    Provorov = Hedman. He'll eat big minutes AND play PP1. He doesn't need a downgrade in role.

    Personally, I think PHI just saw Gustafsson at $3m/1yr as a good deal/risk.
    It now allows them to move Ghost at any time that is convenient.

    Gustafsson is a UFA after this year... and I don't really think it's good for long-term team outlook to displace Provorov from PP1 if he might be needed to return their a year from now.


    As for Gost... he's Shattenkirk v0.9 (i.e. not even as good as Shattenkirk).
    STL gave Shatty a chance to run PP1... but ultimately, the team was better without him - and he's really been bouncing from team-to-team ever since!
    Shatty - and Ghost is the same - is simply better as a 3rd pairing D-man providing some spot offense here & there from that 3rd pairing.
    Gost better save his money from this contract... because he's gonna get 3rd pairing dollars on his next.

    I'm a Flyers fan... and I've pretty much always hated the incompleteness of Ghost's game.
    I'm not sure there's a NHL GM that is really interested in a one-trick pony like Ghost.
    He's gonna be a hard move for PHI... and I actually think they'll need to ADD a sweetener (4th, 5th round pick) to move him.
    Hedman is a perfect example of trying to get your top dman some rest by having a powerplay specialist. Sergachev manned the first powerplay for much of the Lightning's playoff run. Calgary did the same thing when they brought in Gustafsson to try to get Giordano some rest.

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    ^Um... you might want to check Hedman's regular season PPTOI... also maybe who was patrolling the PP1 in the finals.
    But if you want to keep checking small sample sizes - keep doing it wrong. The larger sample size is the regular season.
    Also - without a comment about Ghost in this thread - you're just nitpicking other people's comments without actually being helpful to the OP.

    Ultimately - CGY didn't go anywhere deep in the playoffs with Gus running PP1.
    And Gus isn't back with CGY... so... there's that.

    Anyways...
    This thread's about Ghost - at least half my original post attended to him.
    Everybody should try to do likewise. (I do apologize for derailing it with any Provorov v. Gustafsson talk, sorry.)

    Gustafsson being added for PHI certainly pushes Ghost's PHI-usage way, way down the offensive depth chart.
    That much... I think... we can all agree on.

    The question is whether Ghost will be moved soon... and I don't think we know that answer.
    Personally, I think his skill-set is so narrow (good N-S skater, good stickhandler at blueline, good onetimer... that's about it) that NHL GMs don't have much interest.
    He would've been moved by now if ANYBODY was offering ANYTHING decent.
    That's a major tell, IMO, especially with the Gustafsson signing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    ^Um... you might want to check Hedman's regular season PPTOI... also maybe who was patrolling the PP1 in the finals.
    But if you want to keep checking small sample sizes - keep doing it wrong. The larger sample size is the regular season.
    Also - without a comment about Ghost in this thread - you're just nitpicking other people's comments without actually being helpful to the OP.

    Ultimately - CGY didn't go anywhere deep in the playoffs with Gus running PP1.
    And Gus isn't back with CGY... so... there's that.

    Anyways...
    This thread's about Ghost - at least half my original post attended to him.
    Everybody should try to do likewise. (I do apologize for derailing it with any Provorov v. Gustafsson talk, sorry.)

    Gustafsson being added for PHI certainly pushes Ghost's PHI-usage way, way down the offensive depth chart.
    That much... I think... we can all agree on.

    The question is whether Ghost will be moved soon... and I don't think we know that answer.
    Personally, I think his skill-set is so narrow (good N-S skater, good stickhandler at blueline, good onetimer... that's about it) that NHL GMs don't have much interest.
    He would've been moved by now if ANYBODY was offering ANYTHING decent.
    That's a major tell, IMO, especially with the Gustafsson signing.
    I thought the above poster's comments were on target. You mentioned that teams don't rest dmen by taking them off the power play. The poster pointed out that Tampa did that in the playoffs. That seems fair to me. Threads are organic in nature. We started talking about Gostisbehere's deployment with the addition of Gustafsson, which led to Provorov's deployment...all that is fair grounds for a discussion here.

    I also think it is worth considering that with a compressed schedule, Philly is even more likely to rest Provorov a bit by having Gustafsson run the PP. In a sense, that is very much like the playoffs and what Tampa did with Hedman. I mean, Tampa at one point was playing something like 3 games in 4 nights (or maybe it was 4 games in 5 nights...I don't remember exactly and I don't feel like looking it up, but I do recall the schedule was compressed at times).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    ^Um... you might want to check Hedman's regular season PPTOI... also maybe who was patrolling the PP1 in the finals.
    But if you want to keep checking small sample sizes - keep doing it wrong. The larger sample size is the regular season.
    Also - without a comment about Ghost in this thread - you're just nitpicking other people's comments without actually being helpful to the OP.

    Ultimately - CGY didn't go anywhere deep in the playoffs with Gus running PP1.
    And Gus isn't back with CGY... so... there's that.

    Anyways...
    This thread's about Ghost - at least half my original post attended to him.
    Everybody should try to do likewise. (I do apologize for derailing it with any Provorov v. Gustafsson talk, sorry.)

    Gustafsson being added for PHI certainly pushes Ghost's PHI-usage way, way down the offensive depth chart.
    That much... I think... we can all agree on.

    The question is whether Ghost will be moved soon... and I don't think we know that answer.
    Personally, I think his skill-set is so narrow (good N-S skater, good stickhandler at blueline, good onetimer... that's about it) that NHL GMs don't have much interest.
    He would've been moved by now if ANYBODY was offering ANYTHING decent.
    That's a major tell, IMO, especially with the Gustafsson signing.
    With regard to Gostisbehere, I fully agree. I don't see alot of teams lining up to take on 4.5 million for a one dimensional defenseman. I think Philly would have to eat some salary, and possibly sweeten the pot with a minor asset.

    A fit I wonder about IF Philly were willing to eat some salary would be the Bruins, could they possibly have any interest in a powerplay specialist to take over the duties from the departed Krug? Or are they really going to ride with Grzelcyk / McAvoy as the PP1 option?

    With some combination of Gus, Prov, and to a lesser extent even Sanheim, Myers, I just don't see a lot of powerplay time left for Ghost.

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