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    I'm looking at Willie Nylander vs the 5th overall pick in the 2020 draft.

    It's a 14 team dynasty (multi-cat with deep rosters 25 + 35) + salary (25m over NHL cap)

    I currently own picks #1 #2 #4 and #5

    I turned down any offer I got for those top 3 picks (Lafreniere/Byfield/Stutzle/Raymond/Perfetti/Askarov) are all options there.

    So he offered,

    W. Nylander (6m) + Bobrovsky (12m) - but I need a goalie and have tons of cap space.

    For

    5th overall + 3rd rounder 2022

    I broke it down to Nylander vs the potential of say Raymond/Perfetti/Rossi

    Do I go with the young proven piece in Nylander or the lottery pick in one of the other 3?
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    I'd probably do it if it was just the 5th for Willie but adding in Bobrovsky and that nasty salary makes me say no thanks. Ya, you have cap space but that doesn't mean you have to waste it.
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    I think I would do it and hope Bob rebounds
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    I would take the deal and flip Bob for something better than a 3rd rounder. Nylander for the 5th is a good trade for you.

    That is unless this deal causes you to have to drop any decent players?
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    It's a NO for me.
    And I'm saying this on the assumption that Bobrovsky's $12m is just too unattractive to trade/flip elsewhere.
    There's a lot of good young goalies now coming into the NHL, especially with Shesterkin, Sorokin, and Samsonov.
    Saros, Lehner, Markstrom... we are seeing a major youthening (discount goalie $) across the NHL.
    And Hart, Binnington, Hellebuyck, Gibson - these guys are already firmly planted.
    NHL goalies are as young as they've ever been... and quality... and you have to think about how that effects fantasy hockey DEMAND for elder-goalies.
    People are NOT going to want a 30+yr old goalie like Bobrovsky, in the coming years.

    For me, if you are drafting at #1 (Laf), #2 (Byfield), #4 (good young player)... then you are still in DEEP rebuild.
    Laf will pop in year2.
    Byfield will pop in year3.
    GYP@4 will pop in year4.
    You want your team to peak about 3 years from now.
    Bobrovsky turns 32 NEXT MONTH.. and so he'll be age35... 3 years from now.


    I'd stay young... with what you have.
    Be patient. Your young players will rise in value... and you can always add Bob/Nylander mid-season if your team SHOWS it is good enough to compete.

    It's simply not a trade you need to make "now".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    It's a NO for me.
    And I'm saying this on the assumption that Bobrovsky's $12m is just too unattractive to trade/flip elsewhere.
    There's a lot of good young goalies now coming into the NHL, especially with Shesterkin, Sorokin, and Samsonov.
    Saros, Lehner, Markstrom... we are seeing a major youthening (discount goalie $) across the NHL.
    And Hart, Binnington, Hellebuyck, Gibson - these guys are already firmly planted.
    NHL goalies are as young as they've ever been... and quality... and you have to think about how that effects fantasy hockey DEMAND for elder-goalies.
    People are NOT going to want a 30+yr old goalie like Bobrovsky, in the coming years.

    For me, if you are drafting at #1 (Laf), #2 (Byfield), #4 (good young player)... then you are still in DEEP rebuild.
    Laf will pop in year2.
    Byfield will pop in year3.
    GYP@4 will pop in year4.
    You want your team to peak about 3 years from now.
    Bobrovsky turns 32 NEXT MONTH.. and so he'll be age35... 3 years from now.


    I'd stay young... with what you have.
    Be patient. Your young players will rise in value... and you can always add Bob/Nylander mid-season if your team SHOWS it is good enough to compete.

    It's simply not a trade you need to make "now".
    Fair point. I guess it does depend on the rest of his roster. I was assuming a faster turnaround, but if you're right about being that far away then I can be on board with that assessment too.
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    Yeah... we don't really know... but usually the assumption is that for somebody to GET four first round picks, they probably traded 3 significant players to get the added 3 picks.
    And... they likely finished bottom 5, possibly very bottom.

    Saying "I need a goalie"... that's not a thing, for me.
    Goalies emerge out-of-nowhere in fantasy hockey, enough, especially in a 14-team league.
    I mean... Binnington (in our WHL) was on waivers two Decembers ago.
    Hellebuyck is a top goalie, but he was a 5th round pick.

    Personally - a guy I like that can be maybe obtained at a discount right now is Daniel Vladar.
    Boston's goalies are aging.
    Rask is 33, Halak is 35 and both are UFAs next summer!!! (2021)
    So Vladar will have either a #1 or #2 spot on this team for the 2021-2022 season.

    Or target a young OTT or BUF goalie.
    Those teams ARE rising and will be solid.
    Gustavsson (but also possibly Sogaard) are the guys I want to target for OTT.
    UPL (Luukkonen) for BUF.
    Hold 3or4 of those guys in a dynasty... one will likely pan out.
    Goalie scouting has been solid lately - as we see with the rise of Shest/Sorokin/Samsonov.

    We've seen what's happened to Lundqvist after he turned 35.
    Now that Bob's got that big fat paycheck with FLA... how hard does he really have to try?
    I worry about older players on that big paycheck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Personally - a guy I like that can be maybe obtained at a discount right now is Daniel Vladar.
    Boston's goalies are aging.
    Rask is 33, Halak is 35 and both are UFAs next summer!!! (2021)
    So Vladar will have either a #1 or #2 spot on this team for the 2021-2022 season.
    Don't you think Jeremy Swayman is in line in front of Vladar. That beeing said, I have both...
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    I really like the Nylander for the 5th swap. Can you get him to just do that, without a crazy expensive aging goalie?
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    I'd do this deal with Bob too. Bob's potential at the very least is worth more than a 3rd. You should be able to flip him immediately for more but could even hold onto him in the hopes he has a hot start to next season and flip him then. Absolute worst case scenario (which I think is highly unlikely) you end up dropping him down the line and paid a 3rd more than you had to which isn't a huge amount of a loss.
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    Questions:

    1. Who are your current goalies, if any?
    2. How much is total cap, and how far under are you? Any major players hitting FA this year or next for you?
    3. Where did you finish this past season?
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    The big question to ask is how much cap room do the likely contenders in your league have. If they have the cap room to add someone like Bobrovsky later in the season, then you should be able to flip him for an upgrade when one of them lose their starting goalie. If none of the contenders have cap room, then you are stuck with Bobrovsky because there's no way a rebuilder will trade for him.

    I prefer Nylander over the guy you will get with the pick for the next 3 years but then that will change.

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    I kinda forgot about this and all the negative Bob talk had me walk away and regroup. He just came back today and offered,

    Nylander + 21st ov + 25th ov picks (2020 prospects)

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    5th ov pick (2020 prospects)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindros88 View Post
    I kinda forgot about this and all the negative Bob talk had me walk away and regroup. He just came back today and offered,

    Nylander + 21st ov + 25th ov picks (2020 prospects)

    For

    5th ov pick (2020 prospects)
    I'd take that. As said above Nylander alone vs 5th is relatively fair plus you get two solid picks which if you draft well, you hopefully will get one really solid prospect out of them based on the last few years.
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    This is a very easy accept for me.

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