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    For the team in my sig I may have the chance to give Wheeler & a big pick upgrade (or two) to get Dahlin, but I don't really know a load about him. I know he's going to be a real life stud, but will this translate to really high point totals? Is it worth a big push to get him? What do you think his point totals will look like in the next few years? Thanks!
    12 Team Keep 6: G/A:1 W/SO:2
    C - McDavid, Matthews, Schiefele
    LW - Draisaitl, Fiala, Meier
    RW - ​​Marner, Barzal, Zuccarello
    D - Dahlin, Morrissey, Dunn, Matheson
    G - Skinner
    B - Marchessault, Caufield, Teravainen, McCann, Montour, Jones, Saros

    12 Team Keep 10 (& 5 Minors)
    : G/A/OTL:1 W:2 SO:3
    '24 Picks (16 Rounds) - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,6,6
    F - ​McDavid, Rantanen, Point, Aho, Nylander, M. Tkachuk, Guentzel, MacKinnon, Pavelski, Duchene, Farabee, Henrique
    D - Bouchard, Dobson, Matheson, Andersson, Letang
    G - Vasilevskiy, Markstrom
    B - Joseph, Schenn, Nyqvist, Roslovic, Duclair, S. Jones, Korpisalo, Quick, Rittich
    M - Cooley, Michkov, Rossi, Hutson, Mateychuk

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    He was on pace for 56 points this year as a teenager. Shot total and ice time was down from last year because the coach was holding him back offensively. Not letting him join or lead the rush as much.

    He has all the tools to be the best fantasy dman in the league in terms of points only. Consistent 60+ points from here on out.
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    Dahlin is worth acquiring at that price. He's going to be really, really good over the next decade.

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    Thanks guys! I'll up my push to get him. REP left.
    12 Team Keep 6: G/A:1 W/SO:2
    C - McDavid, Matthews, Schiefele
    LW - Draisaitl, Fiala, Meier
    RW - ​​Marner, Barzal, Zuccarello
    D - Dahlin, Morrissey, Dunn, Matheson
    G - Skinner
    B - Marchessault, Caufield, Teravainen, McCann, Montour, Jones, Saros

    12 Team Keep 10 (& 5 Minors)
    : G/A/OTL:1 W:2 SO:3
    '24 Picks (16 Rounds) - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,6,6
    F - ​McDavid, Rantanen, Point, Aho, Nylander, M. Tkachuk, Guentzel, MacKinnon, Pavelski, Duchene, Farabee, Henrique
    D - Bouchard, Dobson, Matheson, Andersson, Letang
    G - Vasilevskiy, Markstrom
    B - Joseph, Schenn, Nyqvist, Roslovic, Duclair, S. Jones, Korpisalo, Quick, Rittich
    M - Cooley, Michkov, Rossi, Hutson, Mateychuk

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    Not sure if he'll get up to John Carlson levels (89 point pace this year), but I could definitely see him breaking 70 points in a couple years time. Possibly even high 70s as a ceiling. What kind of picks would you have to give up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetcelly View Post
    Not sure if he'll get up to John Carlson levels (89 point pace this year), but I could definitely see him breaking 70 points in a couple years time. Possibly even high 70s as a ceiling. What kind of picks would you have to give up?
    Looks like if it happens it'll be my top pick (mid second round) and Wheeler (my worst keeper) for Dahlin & his worst pick (11th round out of 13 round draft). Should I do it, or just keep one replaceable keeper who will be bumped by one of my many high picks this coming draft? I'm torn on how hard to push to replace my last keeper. But if this is an early chance to get the next Karlsson before he blows up, then I want to do it now while it's affordable!
    12 Team Keep 6: G/A:1 W/SO:2
    C - McDavid, Matthews, Schiefele
    LW - Draisaitl, Fiala, Meier
    RW - ​​Marner, Barzal, Zuccarello
    D - Dahlin, Morrissey, Dunn, Matheson
    G - Skinner
    B - Marchessault, Caufield, Teravainen, McCann, Montour, Jones, Saros

    12 Team Keep 10 (& 5 Minors)
    : G/A/OTL:1 W:2 SO:3
    '24 Picks (16 Rounds) - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,6,6
    F - ​McDavid, Rantanen, Point, Aho, Nylander, M. Tkachuk, Guentzel, MacKinnon, Pavelski, Duchene, Farabee, Henrique
    D - Bouchard, Dobson, Matheson, Andersson, Letang
    G - Vasilevskiy, Markstrom
    B - Joseph, Schenn, Nyqvist, Roslovic, Duclair, S. Jones, Korpisalo, Quick, Rittich
    M - Cooley, Michkov, Rossi, Hutson, Mateychuk

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    Honestly, not so sure if a 2nd round pick is going to get you someone who can replace wheeler as a keeper in a 12 team keep 6. If he is the next Karlsson, year 3 was Karlsson's breakout. On the other hand Victor Hedman, who I also see as a good comparable didn't "blow up" until year 8...

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    The sky is the limit for Dahlin imo. We are seeing defensemen getting up to some pretty high numbers and I wouldn't bet against Dahlin being that guy in a few years. Team and system may have something to say about it, but in terms of talent I see him becoming one of the top 3 offensive defenseman in the league in short order.

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    In todays game I'm taking Dahlin here, the way it's moving Defencemen are going to put up more and more points.
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    Thanks! Ended up doing a very similar deal to get Laine instead. However all your comments have made me think I'll look at trading him Gaudreau or M. Tkachuk straight up for Dahlin. Would you guys consider that to be a good deal? I wouldn't also give a pick upgrade, like I would have with Wheeler. Thanks! REP left for your thoughts.
    12 Team Keep 6: G/A:1 W/SO:2
    C - McDavid, Matthews, Schiefele
    LW - Draisaitl, Fiala, Meier
    RW - ​​Marner, Barzal, Zuccarello
    D - Dahlin, Morrissey, Dunn, Matheson
    G - Skinner
    B - Marchessault, Caufield, Teravainen, McCann, Montour, Jones, Saros

    12 Team Keep 10 (& 5 Minors)
    : G/A/OTL:1 W:2 SO:3
    '24 Picks (16 Rounds) - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,6,6
    F - ​McDavid, Rantanen, Point, Aho, Nylander, M. Tkachuk, Guentzel, MacKinnon, Pavelski, Duchene, Farabee, Henrique
    D - Bouchard, Dobson, Matheson, Andersson, Letang
    G - Vasilevskiy, Markstrom
    B - Joseph, Schenn, Nyqvist, Roslovic, Duclair, S. Jones, Korpisalo, Quick, Rittich
    M - Cooley, Michkov, Rossi, Hutson, Mateychuk

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    Depends on the level of talent available in the draft for me.

    You’re talking about a young tkachuk who’s at probably 70 point floor and still a young gaudreau who has an 80 odd and 99 point season under his belt and will most likely bounce back from this low season.

    If dahlin hits 60 you’re 20 points shy of the numbers those guys put up. Buffalo is a mess so who knows.

    I’d do a bit of math on who’s likely available in round two forward and D wise and see what combo works best. One of you players and a D you can draft or Dahlin and a F you can draft if that’s what you’re looking at.

    And without knowing who’s available, I doubt anyone you draft in second round is better as a keeper Than the 6 players you have highlighted in Sig.

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    Thanks for this - I think you're right. I've got some pretty elite, young talent as my keeper core (ages 22,22,22,23,23,26) and they're also players I really like on teams I really like. I will just put this to rest and be happy with what I have! Haha. No need to take a chance on someone else - I'm set with keepers for years.
    12 Team Keep 6: G/A:1 W/SO:2
    C - McDavid, Matthews, Schiefele
    LW - Draisaitl, Fiala, Meier
    RW - ​​Marner, Barzal, Zuccarello
    D - Dahlin, Morrissey, Dunn, Matheson
    G - Skinner
    B - Marchessault, Caufield, Teravainen, McCann, Montour, Jones, Saros

    12 Team Keep 10 (& 5 Minors)
    : G/A/OTL:1 W:2 SO:3
    '24 Picks (16 Rounds) - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,6,6
    F - ​McDavid, Rantanen, Point, Aho, Nylander, M. Tkachuk, Guentzel, MacKinnon, Pavelski, Duchene, Farabee, Henrique
    D - Bouchard, Dobson, Matheson, Andersson, Letang
    G - Vasilevskiy, Markstrom
    B - Joseph, Schenn, Nyqvist, Roslovic, Duclair, S. Jones, Korpisalo, Quick, Rittich
    M - Cooley, Michkov, Rossi, Hutson, Mateychuk

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    Update: I was able to move Boeser & a 1st for Dahlin & a 5th. Pretty happy to have him! How do you think he will compare to Hughes & Makar in future years?
    12 Team Keep 6: G/A:1 W/SO:2
    C - McDavid, Matthews, Schiefele
    LW - Draisaitl, Fiala, Meier
    RW - ​​Marner, Barzal, Zuccarello
    D - Dahlin, Morrissey, Dunn, Matheson
    G - Skinner
    B - Marchessault, Caufield, Teravainen, McCann, Montour, Jones, Saros

    12 Team Keep 10 (& 5 Minors)
    : G/A/OTL:1 W:2 SO:3
    '24 Picks (16 Rounds) - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,6,6
    F - ​McDavid, Rantanen, Point, Aho, Nylander, M. Tkachuk, Guentzel, MacKinnon, Pavelski, Duchene, Farabee, Henrique
    D - Bouchard, Dobson, Matheson, Andersson, Letang
    G - Vasilevskiy, Markstrom
    B - Joseph, Schenn, Nyqvist, Roslovic, Duclair, S. Jones, Korpisalo, Quick, Rittich
    M - Cooley, Michkov, Rossi, Hutson, Mateychuk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svbetts View Post
    Update: I was able to move Boeser & a 5th for Dahlin & a 1st. Pretty happy to have him! How do you think he will compare to Hughes & Makar in future years?
    To answer your question I would need a crystal ball but since I don't have one I would give it my best shot.

    Offense: Dahlin-Hughes-Makar
    Defense: Makar-Dahlin-Hughes
    Physical/Blockshot: Dahlin/Makar--------------Hughes

    All in all, the 3 are greats but I would take either Makar or Dahlin without hesitation
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    Quote Originally Posted by PicklePickle View Post
    To answer your question I would need a crystal ball but since I don't have one I would give it my best shot.

    Offense: Dahlin-Hughes-Makar
    Defense: Makar-Dahlin-Hughes
    Physical/Blockshot: Dahlin/Makar--------------Hughes

    All in all, the 3 are greats but I would take either Makar or Dahlin without hesitation
    This is great! Thanks. Love the breakdown. We're a points only league, so I like that you've got Dahlin rated high in that regard. REP left!
    12 Team Keep 6: G/A:1 W/SO:2
    C - McDavid, Matthews, Schiefele
    LW - Draisaitl, Fiala, Meier
    RW - ​​Marner, Barzal, Zuccarello
    D - Dahlin, Morrissey, Dunn, Matheson
    G - Skinner
    B - Marchessault, Caufield, Teravainen, McCann, Montour, Jones, Saros

    12 Team Keep 10 (& 5 Minors)
    : G/A/OTL:1 W:2 SO:3
    '24 Picks (16 Rounds) - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,6,6
    F - ​McDavid, Rantanen, Point, Aho, Nylander, M. Tkachuk, Guentzel, MacKinnon, Pavelski, Duchene, Farabee, Henrique
    D - Bouchard, Dobson, Matheson, Andersson, Letang
    G - Vasilevskiy, Markstrom
    B - Joseph, Schenn, Nyqvist, Roslovic, Duclair, S. Jones, Korpisalo, Quick, Rittich
    M - Cooley, Michkov, Rossi, Hutson, Mateychuk

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