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    Question Laine vs. Forsberg in Points Only - Worth a Pick Downgrade?

    For the top team in my sig, I have a chance to get Laine for a decent price. Not sure exactly yet, but probably a high 2nd or maybe a mid first. Would be taking back a lower pick as well (5th or . What do you guys see Laine being over the next few years? Is he going to turn into a PPG player, or will be always be stuck around 60 or 70 points? I don't want to trade away a high pick to my main competition in the league for a 65 point winger. But he still seems to have some seriously elite talent, so is this the time to buy him? Help me decide if I should go after him, or just keep Forsberg in my final keeper slot. I would likely have to throw Forsberg back to the draft if I traded for Laine, as the other guy has more keepers than spots open. Thanks!
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    Default Re: Laine vs. Forsberg in Points Only - Worth a Pick Downgrade?

    I donít ever see Laine being a ppg player. Prob ceiling around the 70-75 point range with prob like a 40-30 split or so. He doesnít seem like the type to drive the play to really make him elite

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    I’ll take the opposite side of that argument - Laine took a short term deal and will need to prove his worth over the next 2 years for his own benefit. He may never win the Rocket Richard, like was projected in the past, but his upper range of value gets better when (not if) Blake Wheeler is a year older.
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    I would remind you of the breakthrough threshold for "exceptionally sized" players, of which Laine definitely fits that category towering at 6'5". "Normal sized" players breakthrough threshold is 300 games, but for Laine's category it is 400 games, which Laine has yet to reach, having logged 305 games to date. Based on this, the best is yet to come for Patrik.

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    I am definitely making that trade!! Laine just turned 22 a month ago.. Laine will be a point a game player.. Guaranteed!!
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    Offer is: Laine & a 9th rounder for my 1st (7th overall). Would drop Forsberg as a keeper to make room. Worth it? Or should I make a push to another GM to get Kyle Connor for probably a bit cheaper, like a 2nd? Or do both options and drop RNH as a keeper too?
    12 Team Keeper
    Points
    : G:1 A:1 W:2 SO:1
    Starts: 3C/3LW/3RW/4D/1G
    20/21 Picks (13 Rounds): 1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,4
    C - Eichel, RNH, Karlsson, Trochek, Suzuki
    LW - Gaudreau, Forsberg, B. Tkachuk, Lee, JVR
    RW - Kucherov, Marner, Athanasiou, Brassard
    D - Giordano, Pionk, Spurgeon, Slavin, Weegar
    G - Francouz, Smith

    11 Team Keeper

    Points:
    G:2 A:1 W:2 SO:4
    Starts: 2C/2LW/2RW/4D/2G
    20/21 Picks (13 Rounds): 1,2,3,3,3,4,5,5,8,10,11,12,13
    C - McDavid, Pettersson, Larkin
    LW - Connor, Kreider, Keller, Meier
    RW - Kucherov, Rantanen, Yamamoto, Atkinson
    D - Klingberg, Pionk, Provorov, Girard, Schmidt, Edler
    G - Markstrom, Rittich, Hart, Demko

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    Default Re: Laine vs. Forsberg in Points Only - Worth a Pick Downgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Svbetts View Post
    Offer is: Laine & a 9th rounder for my 1st (7th overall). Would drop Forsberg as a keeper to make room. Worth it? Or should I make a push to another GM to get Kyle Connor for probably a bit cheaper, like a 2nd? Or do both options and drop RNH as a keeper too?
    Give me Connor and Laine over RNH and Forsberg..

    I would move 7th overall for Laine in a 12 team points only league!! Laine is going to be a stud if he isn't already!!

    Trade RNH and Forsberg if you can replace them with those two young studs!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro View Post
    Give me Connor and Laine over RNH and Forsberg..

    I would move 7th overall for Laine in a 12 team points only league!! Laine is going to be a stud if he isn't already!!

    Trade RNH and Forsberg if you can replace them with those two young studs!!
    Sounds good - looking into it. I also have 1st overall, so may very well be able to grab Kyle Connor with that pick and not have to trade a pick upgrade to my #1 competition. Connor vs. Laine, who would you rather have as a keeper in a points only?

    There are also usually some steals of deals to be had shortly before the draft, when guys have to finalize their keepers and realize who they will have to throw back.
    12 Team Keeper
    Points
    : G:1 A:1 W:2 SO:1
    Starts: 3C/3LW/3RW/4D/1G
    20/21 Picks (13 Rounds): 1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,4
    C - Eichel, RNH, Karlsson, Trochek, Suzuki
    LW - Gaudreau, Forsberg, B. Tkachuk, Lee, JVR
    RW - Kucherov, Marner, Athanasiou, Brassard
    D - Giordano, Pionk, Spurgeon, Slavin, Weegar
    G - Francouz, Smith

    11 Team Keeper

    Points:
    G:2 A:1 W:2 SO:4
    Starts: 2C/2LW/2RW/4D/2G
    20/21 Picks (13 Rounds): 1,2,3,3,3,4,5,5,8,10,11,12,13
    C - McDavid, Pettersson, Larkin
    LW - Connor, Kreider, Keller, Meier
    RW - Kucherov, Rantanen, Yamamoto, Atkinson
    D - Klingberg, Pionk, Provorov, Girard, Schmidt, Edler
    G - Markstrom, Rittich, Hart, Demko

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    Default Re: Laine vs. Forsberg in Points Only - Worth a Pick Downgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Svbetts View Post
    Sounds good - looking into it. I also have 1st overall, so may very well be able to grab Kyle Connor with that pick and not have to trade a pick upgrade to my #1 competition. Connor vs. Laine, who would you rather have as a keeper in a points only?

    There are also usually some steals of deals to be had shortly before the draft, when guys have to finalize their keepers and realize who they will have to throw back.
    Without Hits/Blocks as a category, it makes it even closer in my opinion. In points only, i see Laine having higher upside, although Connor could very well out point Laine in some seasons, depending on deployment. I think because of Laine’s name he will be more expensive to acquire, so I’d typically recommend trading for the player that costs you less.

    if you think Connor will be in the draft, I assume his owner is not keeping him? Any way you can make the trade for Laine that is discussed above, and trade RNH + one of your good picks for Connor?
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    Forwards: Goals 2 Pts, Assists, 1 Pt, Hits/Blocks/SOG 0.1 Pt

    Defense: Goals 2.5 Pts, Assists, 1.5 Pts, Hits/Blocks/SOG 0.1 Pt
    Goalie: Wins 3 Pts, Saves 0.1 Pt, Goals Against -1 Pt

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    Center: B. Horvat, S. Monahan
    Wing: P. Laine, K. Connor, T. Meier, F. Forsberg
    Defense: D. Hamilton, Z. Werenski, M. Rielly
    Flex: S. Theodore, C. Keller
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