What's Andreas Athanasiou's +/- at year end?

[evans334]

Currently -45

[lucafen4]

if he plays with Draisaitl - -60

[The Comish]

Who cares, junk stat for individual players. When your defenseman can cough up the puck and the other four guys get a minus, you know it's garbage. The NHL struggles to come up with meaningful individual stats and this one is not one of them.

[ericdaoust]

Who cares, junk stat for individual players. When your defenseman can cough up the puck and the other four guys get a minus, you know it's garbage. The NHL struggles to come up with meaningful individual stats and this one is not one of them.

So goals and assists can also be junk stats when lesser players are carried by better ones?

[evans334]

Who cares, junk stat for individual players. When your defenseman can cough up the puck and the other four guys get a minus, you know it's garbage. The NHL struggles to come up with meaningful individual stats and this one is not one of them.

Thanks for playing along lol

[lucafen4]

Who cares, junk stat for individual players. When your defenseman can cough up the puck and the other four guys get a minus, you know it's garbage. The NHL struggles to come up with meaningful individual stats and this one is not one of them.

regardless of its meaningfulness... no matter where you are or what it means -- when it hits -40 You're gonna feel the sting

[doulos]

I think once he hits -100 it will roll over back to zero and get gets a redo!

[The Comish]

So goals and assists can also be junk stats when lesser players are carried by better ones?

If assists were given to all the players on the ice when the team scores, then yes, assists would be a junk stat.

[lucafen4]

be interesting to see which number ends up bigger in Edm - his minus total or goal total

[The Comish]

regardless of its meaningfulness... no matter where you are or what it means -- when it hits -40 You're gonna feel the sting

I don't disagree and I know some players do care about this stat, but when you can do everything right and still end up with a minus, that just sits wrong with me.

[ericdaoust]

I'll take a stab here

DET: -45
EDM: -3
TOT: -48

[lucafen4]

I don't disagree and I know some players do care about this stat, but when you can do everything right and still end up with a minus, that just sits wrong with me.

for the most part... true... but at -45.. you're doing shit wrong.

[ericdaoust]

It's not a junk stat. It's simply misinterpreted in most circles. It's part of the player's story. Let's just make sure we're telling the right story!

[doulos]

I like to use WOWY instead of plus/minus. At least it's a mostly useless stats that sounds cool!

[The Comish]

It's not a junk stat. It's simply misinterpreted in most circles. It's part of the player's story. Let's just make sure we're telling the right story!

A lot goes into how a player gets to a minus, much of it has to do with which line you play on, how the coach deploys you and obviously the team you play on. Still not sure how you can do your job defensively perfect, a team mate makes a mistake and you end up with a minus and the stat still be relevant. Please don't say it all evens out because that's weak, otherwise why would we keep stats if they all even out. As a team stat, I'm all in, but to apply that the way it's done currently, it doesn't tell the real story. 100% junk individual stat without context.