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    Default Re: Will Ovechkin pass Gretzky’s Goal Total?

    Fair enough. Still going with Roy although that does bridge the gap.

    And I don't know what "being a Canadian" has to do with anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    but who cares about that stuff... regular season stats > Championships right?
    Attributing wins to a singular player on a 23 team roster is certainly a taek.

    TL;DR long sample size statistics that isolate a singular player's impact should be a significantly more important barometer than team achievements yes.

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    It would be cool to see Ovi pass Gretzkys goal totals. Even if he does I wont consider him the most productive goal scorer in the league. I feel that goes to Mario, I may be I the minority that feels that if Mario hadn't missed the time he did that he would have beat Gretzkys record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame View Post
    It would be cool to see Ovi pass Gretzkys goal totals. Even if he does I wont consider him the most productive goal scorer in the league. I feel that goes to Mario, I may be I the minority that feels that if Mario hadn't missed the time he did that he would have beat Gretzkys record.
    Yes Lemieux’s injury history was unfortunate. But the fact remains that he was not a durable player and therefore does not belong in any debate involving actual production. You may feel Mario was the most talented goal scorer in the league. But he was by no means the most productive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyrobot View Post
    Hasek won 2 with Detroit.
    Hasek won 1 cup. In 08 he played only 4 games in the first round going 2-2 and was replaced by Osgood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    Hasek won 1 cup. In 08 he played only 4 games in the first round going 2-2 and was replaced by Osgood.
    I remember. Still counts as winning a Cup.

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    I was expecting to see an Ovi goal yesterday somehow even though the Caps didn't play last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    Yes Lemieux’s injury history was unfortunate. But the fact remains that he was not a durable player and therefore does not belong in any debate involving actual production. You may feel Mario was the most talented goal scorer in the league. But he was by no means the most productive.
    This is a good point that does not get brought up enough. The cancer diagnosis was horrible and very unfortunate. The rest of the injuries and missing time because of it is all part of the equation. Durability is an overlooked attribute when comparing greatness of players. Just the ability to get out of bed and go to work day in/day out is super important. It's like having a very good employee 4 out of 5 days a week. Just doesn't cut it.

    People shouldn't be penalized because they can play longer and be healthier in their careers. Just to add to that, Ovi plays a very hard style of hockey which makes it even more impressive.
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    Longevity matters. Body of work matters. It takes a lot of work, skill and discipline to stay healthy while maintaining an elite level of performance for that long.

    There's tons of players who have 2-4 really productive seasons and fall off.

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    I love that these discussions come up all the time and have all of the same responses. It will never be agreed upon, but that's what makes it fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyrobot View Post
    I remember. Still counts as winning a Cup.
    Agree to disagree. Particularly when using it as an argument against Roy - who won all but one of the 64 games he needed to win his cups.
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    Would be amazing if Ovie could some how score 60 goals one last time. Unlikely but I like to dream

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    He'ssssssssssssssss baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyrobot View Post
    He'ssssssssssssssss baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack
    Did he ever leave, though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevegamer View Post
    Did he ever leave, though?
    Well....for the topic at hand here he left for 5 games haha. Longest stretch of the year without a goal.

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