Reply With QuoteMore info about your league will get better answers but in a bubble this should not be a veto.
My trade was vetoed!
In a keep 10 I traded Jack Hughes, Kaapo Kakko, 10th for Tristan Jarry 10th. Should this have been vetoed?
Head-to-Head/ yahoo/ 16 teams/ dynasty league
C, C, C, C,
LW, LW, LW, LW,
RW, RW, RW, RW,
D, D, D, D, D, D,
G, G,
BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN,
IR, IR,
IR+, IR+, IR+, IR+, IR+,
NA, NA, NA, NA, NA
(G), (A), (PIM), (PPP), (SOG), (HIT), (BLK)
(W), (GAA), (SV%), (SHO)
Re: My trade was vetoed!
More info about your league will get better answers but in a bubble this should not be a veto.
Set roster weekly in H2H (Mon to Sun) - 16 Teams - start 6F, 3D, and 1G per week - Keep 2
Points: 2 G / 2 A / 1 PPG / 1 PPA / 1 Hat Trick / 1 SHG / 1 SHA / 1 GWG - 3 Goalie Win / 2 Goalie Loss in SO or OT / 5 goalie SO
Forwards:
C. McDavid, N. Kucherov, R. O'Reilly, J. Schwartz, J. Toews, J. Huberdeau, T. Toffoli, M. Granlund
Defense:
B. Burns, J. Klingberg, R. Josi, J. Slavin
Goalie:
J. Binnington
IR (2 max):
Re: My trade was vetoed!
Keep 10 tells us nothing when we don't know how many teams there are; we also don't know if there are any special rules for rookies or what scoring format you have. Have you asked anyone in the league for feedback on the veto? That's always the first place to start.
Re: My trade was vetoed!
16 teams. H2h. Similar cats as most leagues. No special rules for rookies.Originally Posted by als_revenge
Head-to-Head/ yahoo/ 16 teams/ dynasty league
C, C, C, C,
LW, LW, LW, LW,
RW, RW, RW, RW,
D, D, D, D, D, D,
G, G,
BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN,
IR, IR,
IR+, IR+, IR+, IR+, IR+,
NA, NA, NA, NA, NA
(G), (A), (PIM), (PPP), (SOG), (HIT), (BLK)
(W), (GAA), (SV%), (SHO)
Re: My trade was vetoed!
And yes I asked on league page why it was vetoed. No reply yet.
Head-to-Head/ yahoo/ 16 teams/ dynasty league
C, C, C, C,
LW, LW, LW, LW,
RW, RW, RW, RW,
D, D, D, D, D, D,
G, G,
BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN,
IR, IR,
IR+, IR+, IR+, IR+, IR+,
NA, NA, NA, NA, NA
(G), (A), (PIM), (PPP), (SOG), (HIT), (BLK)
(W), (GAA), (SV%), (SHO)
Re: My trade was vetoed!
Earlier this season Matthews was traded for Aho and not vetoed.
Head-to-Head/ yahoo/ 16 teams/ dynasty league
C, C, C, C,
LW, LW, LW, LW,
RW, RW, RW, RW,
D, D, D, D, D, D,
G, G,
BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN,
IR, IR,
IR+, IR+, IR+, IR+, IR+,
NA, NA, NA, NA, NA
(G), (A), (PIM), (PPP), (SOG), (HIT), (BLK)
(W), (GAA), (SV%), (SHO)
Re: My trade was vetoed!
It's a pretty brutal trade. What are your 10 keepers currently? That'll decide it for sure. Not sure why you wouldn't be keeping Hughes in a league that keeps 160 players though. Not saying necessarily it should be vetoed, but it's extremely uneven. You're lucky if it gets vetoed, in my opinion.
12 Team Keep 6: G/A:1 W/SO:2
C - McDavid, Matthews, Schiefele
LW - Draisaitl, Fiala, Meier
RW - Marner, Barzal, Zuccarello
D - Dahlin, Morrissey, Dunn, Matheson
G - Skinner
B - Marchessault, Caufield, Saros
12 Team Keep 10 (& 5 Minors): G/A/OTL:1 W:2 SO:3
'24 Picks (16 Rounds) - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,6,6
F - McDavid, Rantanen, Point, Aho, Nylander, M. Tkachuk, Guentzel, Pavelski, Duchene, Nyqvist, Rossi
D - Bouchard, Dobson, Matheson, Andersson, Letang
G - Vasilevskiy, Markstrom
B - Mateychuk
M - Cooley, Michkov, Perreault, Hutson, Nikishin
Re: My trade was vetoed!
Not a good trade but I it should not have been vetoed. Hughes should be a keeper, Kakko maybe not. Jarry is currently a stud goalie putting up great numbers. The Jarry side likely wins this year, at a big price.
A trade the Hughes side will likely regret but again, not veto worthy, especially if the Hughes side is gunning for a championship this season.
12 team H-2-H 1 year league, daily roster changes, 3 goalie start minimum/week
2xC, 2xRW, 2xLW, 4xD, 3xUtil, 2xG, 5 Bench
G, A, P, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG, Hits, W, SV%, GAA, SVs
C: C. Keller, C. Mittelstadt, B. Nelson, R. Strome,
LW: K. Connor, B. Tkachuk, J. Gaudreau, J. Marchessault, E. Rodrigues, A. Lafreniere
RW: K. Fiala, J. Bratt, T. Jeannot V. Arvidsson
D: R. Josi, J. Trouba, E. Gustafsson,
G: L. Thompson, F. Gustavsson, V. Vanecek
NO IR
Re: My trade was vetoed!
The devil is in the details:
- is this a 1, 2 or 3 goalie start league?
- daily or weekly starts?
- are saves a category?
- what are the categories? Are their 8 skater cats and 3 goalie cats? 6 and 4? 11 and 5? 10 and 3?
Basically how ‘valuable/scarce’ are goalies?
If this is a daily start H2H league, with saves as a catagory, that starts 2 goalies and has 6 skater and 4 goalie cats, and you are an elite contending team then this is probably a deal that makes you better this season.
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Re: My trade was vetoed!
Hughes and Kakko could certainly be keepers on certain teams, with 160 total keepers.
I'm not sure why this was vetoed. It's a complete bush league if veto's are explained to GMs...
Re: My trade was vetoed!
yes this should be vetoed in dynasty, you get two future stars for a goalie with no history/pedigree.
Girouxsalem
(G,A,PIM,PPP,GWG,FOW,SOG,HIT, BLK)(W,SV,SO,GAA,SV%)
F:
D:
G:
ThePeterNorthStars
G(4),A(2),PIM(1),PPP(2),SHP(3.5),GWG(2),SOG(.5),FO W(.25),FOL(-.25),HIT(.75),BLK(.5) G:W(6)L(-4)GA(-2)SV(.5)SHO(4)
C: Zibanejad,Trocheck,Kempe
L: Draisaitl,Forsberg
RW: Tippett,Boldy,Meier,Raymond
D: Josi,McAvoy,Carlson,Theodore,Faber,Montour,Sanderson
G: Shesterkin,Kotchetkov
Re: My trade was vetoed!
This attitude likely pretty much sums up why guys in your league vetoed it. Jarry is viewed as worth less, despite being more likely to help you win now, because he comes without experience but Hughes & Kakko are guaranteed stars, despite their early struggles, having been picked 1&2. Meanwhile Nolan Patrick will be cut come keeper-selection time and no one will blink an eye.
I don't like the trade myself but wouldn't veto it by any means.
Re: My trade was vetoed!
To be honest.....this is the type of trade I would have voted for a veto if it was in my league early in my fantasy hockey playing days. But if this trade helps this year for the GM getting Jarry, who am I to judge......as long as there isn't collusion.
12 team dynasty, weekly H2H, daily starts
3C, 3LW, 3RW, 4D, 1UTL, 2G, 7 Bench - 23 player roster, unlimited farm system
Cats - G, A, PTS, +/-, PIMS, PPP, SHP, Hits, SOG, BS, W, GAA, S%, S and SO
C - Crosby, MacKinnion, Bergeron, Kopitar and Pageau
LW - Marchand, Pacioretty, Nugent-Hopkins (C) and Vrana
RW - Stone, Voracek, Duclair (LW), T. Wilson and Tanev (LW)
D - Hedman, Doughty, Trouba, Weber and Giordano
G - Holtby, Binnington, Quick and M. Koskinen
Farm
Highlights - Cernak, V. Soderstrom, T. Harley, V. Heinola, R. Andersson, C. Garland, C. Grundstrom, P. Kochetkov
Picks - 2020 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th
Re: My trade was vetoed!
keeping both Hughes & Kakko in a 16tm keep 10 is a pure roll of the dice for that GM. He's committing hard to a rebuild and these two players upside.
In a keep 10 you need the 10 you keep to hit the following year. If one or both fail to deliver and produce like Hischier in yr 2... then Jarry is a landslide winner this and next year
"Similar cats" as most leagues doesn't tell us the value of starting goalies.
Some leagues have 6G cats to 10 skater cats - giving almost 40% of cats to goalies - increasing their value.
Some slant even moreso to goalies.
Or if it's the other way and G cats are under 33% of the cats used in H2H or Roto... then this deal starts to look worse...
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Re: My trade was vetoed!
Interesting.
While I wouldn't veto it, I also don't understand why anyone would make that deal.
How does one team have the #1 and #2 pick from the same draft, and then traded them for what could have been a mid season waiver pick up?
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