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    I was very clearly referring to only the incident in question, which was why my post said "I think maybe his teammates' actions are pretty indicative of who is in the right and who is in the wrong." I wasn't saying that the team is turning their backs on him, just that perhaps they recognized that he should be paying the toll for what he did.

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    The "obligated to fight" or "answer the bell" stuff is pure nonsense.

    If someone like Neal, or Draisatl, or Nugent-Hopkins legally checks Lucic 3 times (sidenote: yes, Tkachuk's hits were legal - perhaps they shouldn't be, fair enough, but that's for another debate) and then Lucic grabs RNH from behind and dangerously throws multiple bare knuckle haymakers trying to put him in the hospital... would ANYBODY in the media say RNH should have faced Lucic and fought him?!
    Of course not. Pure garbage.

    Tkachuk fighting Kassian, a skating gorilla if I've ever seen one, hurts the Flames chances of winning.
    And that's why he won't fight him. Period.
    It's also not a fair fight. One is a seasoned fighter and the other is a skill player. Since when are top line skill players obligated to fight 3rd or 4th line airheads?

    If the Oilers truly want reparations, one of their skill guys needs to legally line up Lucic or Rinaldo. Simple.
    Of course, neither one is dumb enough to constantly skate with his head down and put himself in a vulnerable spot.
    But, nonetheless, that's the proper remedy here. Not Tkachuk hurting his team by fighting mediocre players and sitting in the box unnecessarily.

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    Are we really calling this a legal hit in 2020? Tkatchuk skates below his red line, makes contact with the shoulder and head when Kassian is in a vulnerable position, and follows through by leaving his feet. At absolute minimum this is a missed charging call:

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    I think all of it's fine, the hits, the throttle, and the suspension. But let's not pretend that tkatchuk was an innocent party here, even the biggest flames fans have to see that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auston'sWilly View Post
    If the Oilers truly want reparations, one of their skill guys needs to legally line up Lucic or Rinaldo. Simple.
    Oh man, how satisfying would it be to see McDavid just destroy Lucic with 3 big (though questionable) hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auston'sWilly View Post
    The "obligated to fight" or "answer the bell" stuff is pure nonsense.

    If someone like Neal, or Draisatl, or Nugent-Hopkins legally checks Lucic 3 times (sidenote: yes, Tkachuk's hits were legal - perhaps they shouldn't be, fair enough, but that's for another debate) and then Lucic grabs RNH from behind and dangerously throws multiple bare knuckle haymakers trying to put him in the hospital... would ANYBODY in the media say RNH should have faced Lucic and fought him?!
    Of course not. Pure garbage.

    Tkachuk fighting Kassian, a skating gorilla if I've ever seen one, hurts the Flames chances of winning.
    And that's why he won't fight him. Period.
    It's also not a fair fight. One is a seasoned fighter and the other is a skill player. Since when are top line skill players obligated to fight 3rd or 4th line airheads?


    If the Oilers truly want reparations, one of their skill guys needs to legally line up Lucic or Rinaldo. Simple.
    Of course, neither one is dumb enough to constantly skate with his head down and put himself in a vulnerable spot.
    But, nonetheless, that's the proper remedy here. Not Tkachuk hurting his team by fighting mediocre players and sitting in the box unnecessarily.
    So what you are saying is it's ok to poke the bear at the zoo, but it's his fault when he attacks you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    So what you are saying is it's ok to poke the bear at the zoo, but it's his fault when he attacks you?
    I think what he's saying is if you poke a bear at the zoo and it attacks you, it's not reasonable for you to have to "answer the bell" and fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    So what you are saying is it's ok to poke the bear at the zoo, but it's his fault when he attacks you?
    This is my thought exactly.

    Smack a bear over the head with a stick 3 times and it attacks you, but you then come out and say, "If you don't want me to hit you with a stick, maybe you should have moved your head" is a dumb thought process (don't wanna get hit, stay off the tracks comment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by forumname View Post
    I think what he's saying is if you poke a bear at the zoo and it attacks you, it's not reasonable for you to have to "answer the bell" and fight back.
    Are people really saying Tkachuk needed to fight?

    I'm saying he shouldn't be saying, "woah is me" when Kassian fought him. Or shouldn't question why Kassian fought him. Tkachuk can turtle if he wants in that situation. Kassian did jump Tkachuk. But Tkachuk shouldn't be surprised Kassian jumped him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forumname View Post
    I think what he's saying is if you poke a bear at the zoo and it attacks you, it's not reasonable for you to have to "answer the bell" and fight back.
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    Thankfully the NHL is not a zoo. At least it's not supposed to be.


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    It's cowardly to try to injure someone and then duck them when they confront you about it.

    You don't HAVE to fight them, but don't be surprised if they beat the shit out of you anyway because obviously you deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auston'sWilly View Post

    Tkachuk fighting Kassian, a skating gorilla if I've ever seen one, hurts the Flames chances of winning.
    And that's why he won't fight him. Period.
    It's also not a fair fight. One is a seasoned fighter and the other is a skill player. Since when are top line skill players obligated to fight 3rd or 4th line airheads?
    Let's compare this season stats to see how this argument holds up:

    According to NHL.com, Matt Tkachuk is 6'2, 202lbs while Zack Kassian is 6'3, 211lbs.

    They are in the same weight class.

    Tkachuk plays 18:10 per game but that includes almost 3 minutes per game on the NHL's 12th worst PP. He plays 0 seconds per game short-handed. This gives him 15:12 per game of even strength ice time.
    Kassian plays 16:15 per game but has only played 26 seconds per game on the PP and 2 seconds per game short-handed. This means he gets 15:48 per game of even strength ice time. This is 3rd among all Oilers' forwards.

    Both Tkachuk and Kassian are first line forwards.

    Tkachuk has 38 points this season including 12 on the PP which gives him 26 even strength points. Kassian has 28 even strength points. Yep...Kassian has more goals, more assists and more points than Tkachuk does at even strength this season. The Oilers are not going to change their PP lines since they have the best powerplay in the entire NHL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcouples View Post
    Let's compare this season stats to see how this argument holds up:

    According to NHL.com, Matt Tkachuk is 6'2, 202lbs while Zack Kassian is 6'3, 211lbs.

    They are in the same weight class.

    Tkachuk plays 18:10 per game but that includes almost 3 minutes per game on the NHL's 12th worst PP. He plays 0 seconds per game short-handed. This gives him 15:12 per game of even strength ice time.
    Kassian plays 16:15 per game but has only played 26 seconds per game on the PP and 2 seconds per game short-handed. This means he gets 15:48 per game of even strength ice time. This is 3rd among all Oilers' forwards.

    Both Tkachuk and Kassian are first line forwards.

    Tkachuk has 38 points this season including 12 on the PP which gives him 26 even strength points. Kassian has 28 even strength points. Yep...Kassian has more goals, more assists and more points than Tkachuk does at even strength this season. The Oilers are not going to change their PP lines since they have the best powerplay in the entire NHL.
    There it is!

    Hope that rumored Kassian extension comes in at 6x6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    So what you are saying is it's ok to poke the bear at the zoo, but it's his fault when he attacks you?
    Except there are signs at the zoo instructing people not to behave this way. i.e. It's against the rules.
    Tkachuk didn't break any rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcouples View Post
    Let's compare this season stats to see how this argument holds up:

    According to NHL.com, Matt Tkachuk is 6'2, 202lbs while Zack Kassian is 6'3, 211lbs.

    They are in the same weight class.

    Tkachuk plays 18:10 per game but that includes almost 3 minutes per game on the NHL's 12th worst PP. He plays 0 seconds per game short-handed. This gives him 15:12 per game of even strength ice time.
    Kassian plays 16:15 per game but has only played 26 seconds per game on the PP and 2 seconds per game short-handed. This means he gets 15:48 per game of even strength ice time. This is 3rd among all Oilers' forwards.

    Both Tkachuk and Kassian are first line forwards.

    Tkachuk has 38 points this season including 12 on the PP which gives him 26 even strength points. Kassian has 28 even strength points. Yep...Kassian has more goals, more assists and more points than Tkachuk does at even strength this season. The Oilers are not going to change their PP lines since they have the best powerplay in the entire NHL.
    This is some serious weaksauce cherry picking, wow.

    212 pts in 272 games, 22 years old Tkachuk
    171 pts in 510 games, 28 years old Kassian

    Not to mention the serious financial investment the Flames recently made in Tkachuk.
    I'm sure the organization would love to see Tkachuk risk that investment fighting a player with a history of becoming unhinged. Sure, why not.

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