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    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-sign-stealing

    Major League Baseball hammered the Houston Astros with penalties Monday afternoon after a league investigation confirmed they had cheated using a camera-based sign-stealing system during the regular season and playoffs of their World Series-winning 2017 season.

    Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch will be suspended for the 2020 season, the Astros will lose first- and second-round draft picks in 2020 and 2021, and the organization was fined a record $5 million. MLB said in its statement that if Luhnow or Hinch "engage in any future material violations" of MLB rules, they will be placed on the league's permanently ineligible list.

    Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora, who was implicated in the schemes, was not disciplined but is expected to receive a similarly harsh penalty upon the completion of an investigation into illicit use of a video replay room by the 2018 Red Sox. Cora was the Astros' bench coach during the 2017 season.

    While the scheme to steal signs and relay them to batters by banging on a garbage can was "player-driven," MLB commissioner Rob Manfred wrote in a nine-page summary of the investigation, no players were disciplined -- including New York Mets manager Carlos Beltran, who played for the 2017 Astros and was implicated by Manfred as one of the players involved in decoding signs.

    The discipline is among the harshest ever delivered by a commissioner, with Luhnow and Hinch banned until the day after the final game of the 2020 World Series despite neither having involvement with the scheme -- and Hinch twice trying to damage the monitor used as a show of protest. Manfred nevertheless held the two responsible, pointing to a Sept. 15, 2017 memo regarding the Red Sox's illicit use of an Apple Watch that promised severe discipline for teams that run afoul of MLB's rules against using technology during games.

    The scheme itself, Manfred wrote, began in 2017 and evolved throughout the course of the season. After initially using video-replay personnel to decode the opposing catcher's signs via a center-field camera and relaying the information to the bench via phone or text message, Cora "arranged for a video room technician to install a monitor displaying the center field camera feed immediately outside of the Astros' dugout." Players watched the camera live and, upon decoding the sign, hit the trash can with a bat -- and sometimes a Theragun -- to signal the hitter which pitch was coming. Initially, they had tried clapping, whistling or yelling, Manfred wrote, but players determined the trash can was the best use of relaying the sign.

    While the banging scheme was discontinued before the 2018 season, Manfred wrote, "the Astros' replay review room staff continued, at least for part of the 2018 season, to decode signs using the live center field camera feed, and to transmit the signs to the dugout through in-person communication." That practice ended during the 2018 season when players believed it was no longer effective.

    The investigation found no use of illicit technology during the 2019 season.

    MLB's investigation found that Astros owner Jim Crane was unaware of the sign-stealing activities by his team.

    No World Series odds changes as a result of the Astros' punishment at Caesars Sportsbook, since no players were suspended.

    Houston remains tied for second-best odds at 6-1 with the Los Angeles Dodgers. The New York Yankees are favorites at 4-1.


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    Big penalty, still won the World Series and made money off that year. Does the owner also save money on the suspended GM and managers salaries? Cause then the $5mill fine is even less really.
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    ...and they have just been fired.
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    And now both are looking for new jobs next year. Both have been fired by the Astros.



    https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/ra...sign-stealing/

    The proverbial hammer has been dropped on the Houston Astros.

    Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have been fired by the organization after the MLB announced the two had been suspended for one year without pay following an investigation found the team used technology to cheat during its World Series-winning 2017 season.

    Astros owner Jim Crane announced the termination decision at a press conference following the ruling from MLB.

    “Neither one of them started this, but neither one of them did anything about it and that’s how we came to the conclusion," Crane said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo Brother View Post
    ...and they have just been fired.
    LOL, clears that up then.

    And the Assistant GM who was fired mid-playoffs is also "suspended". Starts once he gets a job I think.
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    I want more info on the actual garbage can signals. Impressive that they pulled it off in real time.


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    Thinking about this, those guys likely still get their contracted money so they have paid time off (awesome)

    Astros also get fined $5M and lose their 2020 and 2021 1st and 2nd round picks... but I mean what team wouldn't trade that punishment for a world series title??? Seems pretty light to me
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    MLB Suspended them

    Astros just fired them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodgort View Post
    Thinking about this, those guys likely still get their contracted money so they have paid time off (awesome)

    Astros also get fined $5M and lose their 2020 and 2021 1st and 2nd round picks... but I mean what team wouldn't trade that punishment for a world series title??? Seems pretty light to me
    They were suspended without pay, then fired. So likely 0 pay for this yr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericdaoust View Post
    I want more info on the actual garbage can signals. Impressive that they pulled it off in real time.
    videos on youtube. you can hear the can banging loud and clear
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericdaoust View Post
    I want more info on the actual garbage can signals. Impressive that they pulled it off in real time.
    There's youtube videos on it. They had a camera view we typically view games from on a TV in the hall between the dugout and dressing room. The view was in real time. They figured out what the signs were, and would smash the cans when it was an off-speed pitch.

    The same guy who makes those youtube videos on "doorstep pirates anti-packages" made an app that would figure out pitching signals within like 5 pitches, so if they used an electronic app to decode the signals, it's really not hard.
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    Does anyone really think this is a "harsh" penalty? It sounds like it at first glance, but $5 mil for a billionaire and 4 drafts picks from the sport where the draft matters less than any other? Every team should cheat all the time. (h/t @davelozo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Does anyone really think this is a "harsh" penalty? It sounds like it at first glance, but $5 mil for a billionaire and 4 drafts picks from the sport where the draft matters less than any other? Every team should cheat all the time. (h/t @davelozo)
    well i could be mistaken here but fact that they were both fired just after they were suspended and team lost picks and got fined tells me that Owner did not know of this. So penalty to him does not matter..team will be hurting with no picks and now new system on the wining team.

    If he did know and that comes out he will be in more trouble me thinks..
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    More suspensions coming

    https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/sta...411728899?s=19

    Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora is coming and is going to be harsh, sources tell @JeffPassan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Does anyone really think this is a "harsh" penalty? It sounds like it at first glance, but $5 mil for a billionaire and 4 drafts picks from the sport where the draft matters less than any other? Every team should cheat all the time. (h/t @davelozo)
    Apparently Hinch was against the sign stealing and actually smashed the TVs twice. But lets be honest, he knew about it and he should be punished. But it's Cora that was the big guy in this.

    Hinch, suspended 1 yr
    Beltran (player in this and a manager now) was the only player mentioned in the report. So pretty much the league went, "ya we are looking at you buddy. Don't start anything"
    Cora, about to be gone 2-3 yrs. And likely never hired again.

    But all 3 are WS winners, made millions, and can retire and not work a day in their life. Yes their "legacies" may be tarnished. But they have their rings, they have their money, there's a reason why people cheat.

    Didn't know this though, but $5mill was the max allowable fine.
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