Final offer - I’ll rep

[LeafsFan1967]

My keller, 2 in 19 and 3 in 20 for Hall. It was originally 2 in 20 and 3 in 19, but other gm wanted higher pick in 19 instead. I’ll be left with 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7 in 19 and 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8 next year. I then have the option to maybe move a 3/4 to get a 2nd back, but might have to be from 2019. Thoughts on both trades? I’d have Draisaitl (4), Hall (3), Barkov (3), Boeser (2) and Hart (R). I obviously won’t have an expiring contract, but if Hart proves himself to be keepable as soon as after this season, I can see about moving a Boeser for a pick or something, or doing a 2 for 1 of some sort. Not worried about that right now, just curious what you’d prefer between Keller and picks vs Hall.

[Eskimo Brother]

Definitely Hall over Keller, but those picks seem a little steep. Those are redraft picks after the keepers I assume? So at most the top 70 are off the board?

[LeafsFan1967]

Definitely Hall over Keller, but those picks seem a little steep. Those are redraft picks after the keepers I assume? So at most the top 70 are off the board?

Correct, 13 teams x 4 keepers, 1 team x 5 (forfeited a 1st as he had 5 contracts due to a trade). Plus majority of teams have a rookie carry over, q Hughes, Makar, etc. I’m not as worried about a 3 in 2020, it’s 2 drafts out, and just thought since limited keeper go for the best keepers right? All in all, If say I did both trades, could end up with 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8. And then 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8 next year. If I just do the Hall one, I’ll have no 2 in 19, and no 3 in 20. But at least I have extra picks coming beginning next round.

[senryu]

That's a bunch of good picks to lose. Hall is obviously superior to Keller at this moment, and in these leagues with small numbers of keepers, getting the best keeper is a huge factor. But I'm leaning Keller side on this one.

[Eskimo Brother]

After thinking about it a bit, I would take the initial offer, and not do the secondary trade with the picks. If you're confident in your drafting, I think that's the best way forward.

[LeafsFan1967]

After thinking about it a bit, I would take the initial offer, and not do the secondary trade with the picks. If you're confident in your drafting, I think that's the best way forward.

That’s true, it’s just hard sitting from 7 to 37, but I pick 37, 40, etc, so I’ll have a bunch of picks in rounds 3-5, and I’ll finish in round 7, so still 2 rounds early. The only d keepers are karlsson, burns, then some rookie carry overs (dahlin, Heiskanen, Hughes, Makar), and only goalies not available will be Hart and binnington (rookie carry overs), so the best goalies, and #3 ranked d and lower are available, vs forwards it’s the guys like Couturier, Zibanejad, Larkin, Benn etc. So from a strategy perspective, how would you approach it with no 2nd vs if I hang onto my 2nd? I’d rather not wait till Rd 3 for a forward, I’d Prefer to wait on d or goalie, but then if Vas or Carlson are there at 7, hard to pass on 1 of them too. If I could get guys like bob or Andersen or Josi or klingberg in 3rd round, i’d Be happy with a forward in 1st. It’s just that there will be drop off between Picks 7 and 37, so I’ll have to try and make best of it still. I even think Grubauer/Hart would be a solid combo if I needed too, i’d prefer to not have 2 guys in same tier but just mean if I was in a pinch. I just want to fill out starting lineup with 1 goalie, 2 d and 3 forwards as best I can.

[mjm44]

that is a tough call, many think keller will break out this year and he could very well. Hall is awesome when he is healthy.. question is will he play a full season?

[LeafsFan1967]

That's a bunch of good picks to lose. Hall is obviously superior to Keller at this moment, and in these leagues with small numbers of keepers, getting the best keeper is a huge factor. But I'm leaning Keller side on this one.

But what about if I just do the 2 in 19 and 3 in 2020? Dunno if you’re talking about the pick swap too, or just the Hall keller and picks part.

[LeafsFan1967]

I could probably get Forsberg for Keller and a 2, but I think Hall has a higher ceiling than Forsberg, and Keller could outpoint Forsberg, even though less goals. Hall and Forsberg in different tiers entirely

[lucafen4]

With the potential of Hall getting injured... Keller could outpoint Hall too

[LeafsFan1967]

With the potential of Hall getting injured... Keller could outpoint Hall too

Hmm, now I’m second guessing it lol. People just seemed down on Keller last year, and it reflects in the rankings. Hall is a Top 20 keeper, Keller is ranked down in the 60s I believe. There is also a possibility Hall stays healthy and puts up 80+, and Keller is between 50-65 (See Mack’s post rookie years up until his 90+). Mack obviously did a huge jump to 90+, but he showed big upside as a rookie too. Wouldn’t you say just in a vacuum, you’d Rather Hall if going for it? I mean I’ve got a team that can compete for money spots now. There are a lot of what if’s, haha

[lucafen4]

You won't know if you can compete to win until post-draft in a keep 4 +R.. it's almost a full reset every year.

In a nut shell Hall > Keller If you have extra picks to play with... then getting the better player is the smart choice.

I personally would prefer upgrading to someone with a better health track record... but that's me.. others are huge Hall fans.

[LeafsFan1967]

You won't know if you can compete to win until post-draft in a keep 4 +R.. it's almost a full reset every year.

In a nut shell Hall > Keller If you have extra picks to play with... then getting the better player is the smart choice.

I personally would prefer upgrading to someone with a better health track record... but that's me.. others are huge Hall fans.

I get your points, all valid. While I might be selling Keller low, and thus having to give a 2nd pick, I’m also getting Hall off an injury shortened year so if he goes off this year his price goes up. Doesn’t draisaitl, Barkov, Hall, boeser, Hart sound sexy? 😇 And My hope is hall stays healthy, maybe he fits my long game, maybe I move him after the year if he does really well, for another wing stud. I think he’ll be easy enough to trade, just turning 28. People seem weary of Hall in this thread, i’d Like to see a Hall huge hall fan jump into this

[lucafen4]

Here's the flip side no one's mentioned...

If this was 12 months ago - the Hall still holding his Hart Trophy... what are you paying to acquire him??

Can bet your ass it's a lot more than Keller & a 2nd.

#foodforthought

[LeafsFan1967]

Here's the flip side no one's mentioned...

If this was 12 months ago - the Hall still holding his Hart Trophy... what are you paying to acquire him??

Can bet your ass it's a lot more than Keller & a 2nd.

#foodforthought

True also, and don’t forget the 3 hey? Either way, I used to own Hall, and traded him for Barkov, worked out for both of us. It was hall’s mvp season, I sold him in season in 17/18 but before he had a crazy steak. It hurt me a bit for that year, but I wasn’t going to win anyways, and Barkov tilted it to me last year. Now I’m trying to re acquire Hall lol. I’m probably just over thinking having no 2nd, and the whole waiting bit, since there will be 29 picks between my 7 and next at 37, but I at least pick 2 x in 3 straight rounds once I resume.