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    The obvious take away for anyone who is objective:

    Mueller was as direct as his strict legal compass would allow himself to be in his press conference.

    "I have given you all the proof you need to impeach President Trump on obstruction of justice charges. In my interpretation of the constitution it would not have been possible for me to charge a sitting president with a crime. Therefore, it is now up to congress to take this evidence I have gathered for you and proceed with an impeachment hearing. Impeachment, in my legal opinion, being the only method of censuring a criminal President".
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    Right, but in a world where vast numbers of people think a blizzard in February means climate change does not exist, that is way too nuanced to understand. All they see is that Mueller didn't say "Hurr Durr lock him up!" and they assume that the President is squeaky clean innocent of any and all crimes that could be possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doulos View Post
    Right, but in a world where vast numbers of people think a blizzard in February means climate change does not exist, that is way too nuanced to understand. All they see is that Mueller didn't say "Hurr Durr lock him up!" and they assume that the President is squeaky clean innocent of any and all crimes that could be possible.
    No question. Especially with the President tweeting things like ""No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!", which couldn't be further from the truth, and with Barr twisting the Mueller report to fit the agenda, it is easy for the uninformed to think that Trump did nothing wrong. Hopefully, congress does the right thing and follows up with this, as it is their job. Sadly, I am not sure how confident I am that they will.

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    I understand that with a Republican held senate actually impeaching Trump would be near impossible. This impossibility arises not due to innocence of course, but due to the fact that the majority of Republicans have decided to put their party ahead of their country, breaking their oath of office in the process. Sickening yes but here we are.

    Would an impeachment trial that doesn't actually remove Trump from office hurt the Democrats chances of regaining the oval office in 2020? Perhaps. Tough to know for sure. To be sure Trump and his cronies would have a field day spinning a winning senate vote into some sort of vindication of innocence, but does that mean congress should abandon their responsibility to pursue justice?

    Mueller obviously feels that congress should put political strategizing aside and begin impeachment proceedings simply because it is the logical next step in the legal process. The only question left is will Pelosi and the Democrats in Congress grow a set of balls and do what is right and necessary to help heal this country or will they continue to hem and haw about political strategies for 2020.

    History is watching. Should one do the honourable thing even if it means risking losing an election? Or defer your responsibility to your constituents in the hope that by doing so you gain an advantage in retaking the government.

    I know which one history would choose.
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    Watching Mueller speak.... I was thinking this man is a man of conviction. This is a man who believes in justice and will act in accordance of the laws of the land... no matter what. You could not get a finer person to conduct that investigation. Personally, he is most likely pretty pissed off, but he shows none of that. He spoke well of Barr even though his work was purposefully mischaracterized. You can tell that every word of that statement was carefully chosen.

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    I'm interested to see how many criminal court proceedings will go ahead after Trump leaves office when his presidential privilege can no longer protect him. He may not be impeached but hopefully he is just a one-termer.

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    Who knows what may or may not actually happen.

    Democrats need to stop playing nice and start using the tactics that Republicans use to get what they want.

    If they can after the next election, raise the number of Supreme Court members, pack it with liberals and start ramming through laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobo1969 View Post
    I'm interested to see how many criminal court proceedings will go ahead after Trump leaves office when his presidential privilege can no longer protect him. He may not be impeached but hopefully he is just a one-termer.
    How many criminal court proceedings?
    Um, probably none, since compelling evidence is required for that sort of thing.

    2 years and millions of dollars spent, and the Mueller report cited how many possible grounds for impeachment ? Zero, despite the mainstream media screaming the entire time that the Mueller report would save them.
    By contrast, The Starr report cited 11 against Bill Clinton. ELEVEN! Talk about compelling evidence.
    Over the 2+ years, with the msm slamming Trump the entire time, Mueller couldn't provide even one. Nobody seems to care. Really?
    The story must continue anyway because if they can drag it out until the election, maybe they can smear Trump just enough to grab back the states that were really close last time. That's all the democrats are really trying to do here.

    If they truly believe the evidence is compelling enough for impeachment, and they had any real principles, they would attempt impeachment despite knowing it would not get through the Senate (that's what AOC wants to do and many others).
    So they either don't believe the evidence is good enough, or they have no principles and are just playing a political game until 2020.
    Take your pick.

    "Unable to provide exoneration" is completely irrelevant and only meant to fuel the emotions of the left and perhaps sway the center.
    This presumption of guilt perception towards Trump hasn't been seen since OJ Simpson. It's really quite amazing to watch.

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    You must watch a lot of Fox news Auston Willy. Actually, even Fox News is more impartial and grounded in reality than your partisan dribble and regurgitated talking points above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonko View Post

    History is watching. Should one do the honourable thing even if it means risking losing an election? Or defer your responsibility to your constituents in the hope that by doing so you gain an advantage in retaking the government.

    I know which one history would choose.
    At this point, we know that the Senate will not impeach Trump and a no-impeach vote will become just another talking-point for him to Tweet about. Obstruction is obvious but why would we think that enough Republicans would vote to impeach? Plus, there is speculation that a vote to not impeach Trump will negatively affect the chances of convicting him after he leaves office. Personally, I just want whatever improves the chances of him not being reelected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auston'sWilly View Post
    How many criminal court proceedings?
    Um, probably none, since compelling evidence is required for that sort of thing.

    2 years and millions of dollars spent, and the Mueller report cited how many possible grounds for impeachment ? Zero, despite the mainstream media screaming the entire time that the Mueller report would save them.
    By contrast, The Starr report cited 11 against Bill Clinton. ELEVEN! Talk about compelling evidence.
    Over the 2+ years, with the msm slamming Trump the entire time, Mueller couldn't provide even one. Nobody seems to care. Really?
    The story must continue anyway because if they can drag it out until the election, maybe they can smear Trump just enough to grab back the states that were really close last time. That's all the democrats are really trying to do here.

    If they truly believe the evidence is compelling enough for impeachment, and they had any real principles, they would attempt impeachment despite knowing it would not get through the Senate (that's what AOC wants to do and many others).
    So they either don't believe the evidence is good enough, or they have no principles and are just playing a political game until 2020.
    Take your pick.

    "Unable to provide exoneration" is completely irrelevant and only meant to fuel the emotions of the left and perhaps sway the center.
    This presumption of guilt perception towards Trump hasn't been seen since OJ Simpson. It's really quite amazing to watch.
    See, I just think you're so far off from reality here that it's impossible to even engage in conversation. And you represent like half the population of the USA. I'm not sure what the solution is. There probably isn't one since the education system in the USA is getting worse by the second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doulos View Post
    See, I just think you're so far off from reality here that it's impossible to even engage in conversation. And you represent like half the population of the USA. I'm not sure what the solution is. There probably isn't one since the education system in the USA is getting worse by the second.
    ^ Right on cue with the ad hominem approach. I'll refrain, for the good of the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Nation View Post
    At this point, we know that the Senate will not impeach Trump and a no-impeach vote will become just another talking-point for him to Tweet about. Obstruction is obvious but why would we think that enough Republicans would vote to impeach? Plus, there is speculation that a vote to not impeach Trump will negatively affect the chances of convicting him after he leaves office. Personally, I just want whatever improves the chances of him not being reelected.
    I agree with you Daydream. As well, if Trump is impeached and the Republican held Senate lets him off the hook (as they no doubt would), he can't be tried again for those crimes once he leaves office.

    Dems are damned if the do and damned if they don't to some extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic Wedgy View Post
    Watching Mueller speak.... I was thinking this man is a man of conviction. This is a man who believes in justice and will act in accordance of the laws of the land... no matter what. You could not get a finer person to conduct that investigation. Personally, he is most likely pretty pissed off, but he shows none of that. He spoke well of Barr even though his work was purposefully mischaracterized. You can tell that every word of that statement was carefully chosen.
    Absolutely. It's called integrity, which Trump probably can't spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auston'sWilly View Post
    How many criminal court proceedings?
    Um, probably none, since compelling evidence is required for that sort of thing.

    2 years and millions of dollars spent, and the Mueller report cited how many possible grounds for impeachment ? Zero, despite the mainstream media screaming the entire time that the Mueller report would save them.
    By contrast, The Starr report cited 11 against Bill Clinton. ELEVEN! Talk about compelling evidence.
    Over the 2+ years, with the msm slamming Trump the entire time, Mueller couldn't provide even one. Nobody seems to care. Really?
    The story must continue anyway because if they can drag it out until the election, maybe they can smear Trump just enough to grab back the states that were really close last time. That's all the democrats are really trying to do here.

    If they truly believe the evidence is compelling enough for impeachment, and they had any real principles, they would attempt impeachment despite knowing it would not get through the Senate (that's what AOC wants to do and many others).
    So they either don't believe the evidence is good enough, or they have no principles and are just playing a political game until 2020.
    Take your pick.

    "Unable to provide exoneration" is completely irrelevant and only meant to fuel the emotions of the left and perhaps sway the center.
    This presumption of guilt perception towards Trump hasn't been seen since OJ Simpson. It's really quite amazing to watch.
    You misrepresent everything that Mueller's report contains, and his statement afterwards. Barr did the same thing. You either haven't read the report and watched his response, or you are intentionally distorting the truth. Mueller made it VERY clear that his team never considered indicting Trump because the Justice Department prohibits the prosecution of a sitting President as unconstitutional. Mueller also said that his report laid the foundation for Congress to hold the President accountable for any wrongdoing. You clearly either choose to ignore that, or have no idea what you are talking about.

    Your bias here is to an absurd level and when somebody suggests that you are difficult to have a conversation with in this matter because of that bias, you cry ad hominen attack. Shameful...

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